New UC rules to force both partners to work ??

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I can’t find anything online about this but have heard it’s being changed as previously there had to be a certain number of hours worked but this could be by just one partner but now it’s being changed to make both work even though the total household hours don’t change??

This seems very unfair and taking away choice for some families in difficult circumstances. I just can’t find the official guidance is anyone able to link to it ? Thanks

And, er, wouldn't schools need be made bearable, appropriate, have teachers in them (who are paid enough) and teach to a high standard, to make it "fair" to force people not to home educate?!

We already have that protection though.

So you want the state to pay for parents to stay at home whilst they simultaneously don't contribute any taxes? Do you also want there to be schools, healthcare, maintained roads, police officers etc? Who do you think should pay for that?

It should be a right in the sense that families can make a decision for one parent to stay home. If the family cannot finance that choice themselves (as many people of middle or higher incomes can’t) then why should the obligation for them to partake in work related activity not be there?

That's not true. People aren't allowed to claim benefits to home ed. The money might be there for another need. But not home ed.

OP, you need to stop using the word petty.

It's been pointed out to you that if you are in receipt of dla/carers you will be exempt.

Or how about your partner works more hours, gets a second job if you are struggling? Is that a possibility?

I think everyone is aware of PIP assessments scandals. It can be really difficult to get dla too. Many GENUINE claimants parents have to go through mandatory consideration and tribunal because the DWP doesn’t make it easy so genuine claimants can sometimes not get all they are entitled to at first or at all

Because whilst you’re staying at home you’re not getting money > paying taxes/ spending as much
i on the other hand I’m getting subsided 30h (it was around £300-400/month) but I’m earning a salary > paying taxes and as I’ve money going out and spending it.

whilst both scenarios might seem to you more likely , the second one returns quite likely more to the government in form of taxes

Quite right. If you want to stay at home and not work it's totally fine but claiming UC for it is not on.

Can you look for evening or weekend work? It sounds a pain but it's easier with 2 adults in the house.

We have claimed and waiting on a decision. I’m taking about others too though .

You can’t police my choice of words. This is a political tactic as pointed out by another poster and it is petty.

Maybe it's a tactic to get both parents work ready'. Before cutting UC later on.

Sometimes it’s hard to get dla or carers I know of a few people really struggling for various reasons even some waiting for tribunals

So some can work and some can’t. Which shows people will when they can and we should allow people to make that choice if they can or not and trust them if they can’t and support them. That is a little black and white. Some do and some can but don't make that choice. We can't afford for benefits to be given on the basis of trust.

I think, for those without intensive caring responsibilities, it's a sound decision. When you think more than 50% of marriages end in divorce and women have notoriously low pension pots ensuring everyone keeps at least a part-time foot in the work market is a good idea.

Will there be parents working though And claiming the 85% childcare back that actually cost the taxpayer more than families where one parent works full time to the hours required or more and the other doesn’t work ?

If someone is capable of working and doesn't have any disabilities then they should be working. Or at least not being paid by the government. Lots of people would rather stay at home.

the post was an example of why it was necessary - to he a child with SEN.

Yes, thank you. I scrolled back and saw it. I hadn't seen it as it was posted 1 minute before mine. As you probably knew.
I said two adults capable of working. Disability would exempt that. Thank you for wasting my time though.

Really ? I think it’s rare for people to choose not to work. If I could I would !!! I don’t have that choice and it’s the same for others so there needs to be a safety net and the dla/pip/carers system needs to be easier to navigate

Childcare is short term. It allows parents to work, pay taxes, build up pensions and put themselves in a stronger financial position long term than staying at home to look after children.

If you only need to fit in 12.5 hours then you could do this evenings and weekends and your partner not need to change their hours?

Yes I understand that ,but I'm on various face book groups for children inDLA ,and sometimes it's quit obvious why people are refused either they don't send any evidence or some apply for very tenuous reasons ,and they haven't seen any professional,s at al
I know some people have I go to to tribunal to get the correct rates I had ti.go for my child it's arduous but worth it in the end.

Well clearly that's not true by the amount of posts on Mumsnet from parents wanting to stay at home with their kids. And seeing UC as a way to achieve that aim.

Hopefully in those cases with pending MR or tribunals they will have a ‘hold’ placed in cases till the dla/pip issue is resolved as otherwise families will be going through all that with potential sanctions ?

What if the partner just wanted to add 12.5 hrs overtime instead I can’t see what that wouldn’t be ok as it would still reach the threshold of required hours but they seem to want to force both out no matter what for no benefit ?