New UC rules to force both partners to work ??

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I can’t find anything online about this but have heard it’s being changed as previously there had to be a certain number of hours worked but this could be by just one partner but now it’s being changed to make both work even though the total household hours don’t change??

This seems very unfair and taking away choice for some families in difficult circumstances. I just can’t find the official guidance is anyone able to link to it ? Thanks

Surely then you can see how if it’s that hard for two people, it must be harder for one (and therefore one salary, one person to cover all child related logistics, sick days, housework etc)

It's up to her if she wants to get it or not. I'm just pointing out that if she worked full time rather than claiming UC, it may be more achievable for her.

Also troll hunting is against talk guidelines. If you think someone is a troll, then you should report it.

Although it's very telling that you think someone wants people to pay their way, rather than choosing a life style topped up by the tax payer, must be a troll.

That says a lot more about you than it does about me.

Are you able to get PIP for yourself, DLA for your child and carers as then I think you would get UC with no requirement to work

^My own personal views (and I am not a Tory) is that they have been very heavy (too heavy) on certain things but surprisingly lax on other things
I cant agree with consistent child maintenance not being counted towards income.^

The reason we don't do that is because we've tried counting maintenance as income for the benefits system, and it failed. RPs, mothers let's be honest, were often left with very little and it was a perfect tool for NRPs who wished to be controlling. It was a terrible policy. Bringing it back would be an abusers charter. At least 30 years ago they had the excuse of ignorance.

Things could of course be different if we had a child maintenance system with any teeth. In the absence of one, doing things differently would be unworkable.

People physically able to work with no caring responsibilities should work or not be eligible for benefits.
If that includes both parents in a family then both should

I do exactly that and work in one of those places. Apparently not enough though...

I’m in receipt of the higher rate PIP, but assessed as capable of work by UC. I have am required to work 30 hours minimum (and let’s be honest there are no jobs offering 30 hours, it’s too many hours for part time but not quite full time. So I just work full time)
DD has adhd and dyslexia meaning she finds school gruelling and would benefit from more time at home but isn’t judged to need a carer/DLA.

I do. My mother was a single parent of 7, 6 at home. I have every sympathy for them. Yet many of the single mums on here seem determined to push others like myself into work choices when we don't have any choice other in how often we work because they have it hard. I could put my youngest in nursery but likely find out that I haven't been given a shift (zero hours) on the day I should get one. Financially better just to work around my husband instead.

That happened to us a few years ago. Luckily I found another but not sure we would be so lucky now.

High rate for daily living or mobility ?

I think you should appeal their decision as if you are getting high rate PIP particularly daily living then it’s worth asking for a reassessment as I know how high the threshold is for high PIP you have to be severely affected by your condition. I hope you can get that sorted out as it seems like an unfair decision on their part ?

Did you appeal the LCW/LCWRA and DLA refusals? If not you should request a mandatory reconsideration then appeal or if out of time reapply.

It’s not even worth it tbh.

I have the higher rate daily living and standard rate mobility component, and have been found fit to work by UC assessments. PIP is not indefinite even though it’s a lifelong condition that will not get any better, I still have PIP reassessments, next one is coming up in 2024. The last two assessments they’ve rejected it then reinstated it after the appeal, but it’s still months without the payments. So even if I were after the entire appeal process found to be not able
to work, it could just be taken away every 2 years, leaving me with no income until it’s reinstated. I’d have to be reassessed for both, would lose both amounts of money, and not have a job to tide things over until the potential backdated payment. It’s exhausting doing what I’m doing but that sounds worse in the long term.

That is a ridiculous comment, abuse and criminal activity is not exclusive to poor people, I think that is more down to morals.
if I had no money to feed my kids and there were no such things as food banks, would I steel from Tesco’s to feed them?
Too bloody right I would!
Would I beat my partner, would I become a pedophile? would I rob my neighbours? Would I steel from the little old lady getting her pension?
No that’s down to morals, please don’t patronise poor people and give abusers an excuse!

Of course it is worth it, it could be a significant amount of extra money and many appeals are successful. PIP is separate to LCW/LCWRA and children’s DLA.

I have a close relative getting high rate for both PIP components . I know how hard it is to qualify. I really think you have been treated badly by UC assessors and I’m sorry you are having such a difficult time

But someone up thread found the details and it's 29 hours combined between you and your DH/P. So if you aren't reaching those hours what is your DH/P doing?

I meant not enough for some on here. My husband's wages are over the AET for a couple at the minute.

Can someone tell me how the UC assessment works please? My ds18 is in special education until next year and he gets high rate daily living for PIP. I just assumed UC would see this entitlement (it's ongoing) and he'd be automatically exempt from looking for work?

No he would need to be assessed for work capability as being in receipt of PIP does not automatically mean people can't do some kind of work. I mean if may do in your son's case but generally many disabled people qualify for PIP and continue to work.

@babyroobs what does the assessment entail? I can't believe we have more hoops to jump through 😭

It's similar to a PIP one but assessing ability to work. It involves completing a form and then being assessed. If disability is severe I guess they may not need to do an assessment.

That will change very soon as they are scrapping the UC work capability assessment and using pip instead.

I think this is not due to happen until around 2027 !

@NewNovember so does that mean if you get PIP you won't have to do separate work assessment? From when will this start?

Yes but as pp has said it's not until 2027 I did think it was 2024 for some reason.