New UC rules to force both partners to work ??

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I can’t find anything online about this but have heard it’s being changed as previously there had to be a certain number of hours worked but this could be by just one partner but now it’s being changed to make both work even though the total household hours don’t change??

This seems very unfair and taking away choice for some families in difficult circumstances. I just can’t find the official guidance is anyone able to link to it ? Thanks

Except you're totally missing the point.
Even WHEN jobs come up within walking distance that would allow me to work overnight say 7pm-3am, so two locations and I reckon that's two more than lots of people, they don't want people who can never work daytimes cos they're doing school runs / medical appts / have to be available to school /other services, or they don't want someone they have to pay an adult wage to, or there's 100 applicants. It doesn't mean people shouldn't try, but the idea that every single adult unless they have a severe disability is able to walk into a full time job tomorrow if they were just less shit people is pure fantasy.

She is just being a drama llama because people had the audacity to say she should work for her money rather than spunge off other taxpayers money.

I'm sorry but just because you hate the work and don't want to be there doesn't mean you're putting anyone at risk!

I worked in a care home for a few years (school hours, some evenings and weekends) and I can't think of a single person who truly loved the job. I liked certain residents but in general the job was stressful, dirty and at times dangerous. I was attacked by a resident and was abused daily. No one wants to be spat at or have to clean up someone who has been incontinent.

But I'm an adult and I'm capable of doing a job well even though I hate it. I have integrity and I'm compassionate. But I also only did the job to better my family.

Move area then. To somewhere you can find work, if it's so hard where you are.

Yes. I've done this work too. I may not have loved it. But I did it well and I certainly wouldn't take it out on the residents. That's a real scum thing to do.

Oh FFS Ok so what if childrens homes were the default setting instead of care homes Would you still be singing from the same hymn sheet then,

The 2 hours is part of the ongoing conversation about working nights to fit around a DH who works days so basically being left grabbing a couple of hours sleep in between school runs except during school holidays, medical appt days etc / working around school times when your child basically doesn't sleep all night due to their disability so you're expected to be up all day and all night

Ah but you see this is the "there's a hole in my bucket" problem.

The council say that if you need help with housing so you should go wherever they put you. Which in done cases means moving you a long long way from any support system you have (family childcare makes working a lot easier). And shockingly housing is more available in places with no jobs.

Then the answer is move so you can be closer to work.

But you can't afford to move because you aren't working.

Be an adult. Do the job properly. The advice would be the same for any job. Do a good job. Be respectful. Get paid for it.

Of course it is, we all know that. But when care is seen as the last option between that or benefit cuts, you aren't necessarily getting people who agree with us. Or who will do the absolute bare minimum to get by and get their wages, even if that means people not getting their care needs met. Caring jobs should be an active choice people make, paid sufficiently to attract people who want to do it and not just habe it trotted out as "well get a job at Maccies / Tesco / Care Home overnight" as if the jobs are somehow equal

I think people would manage to sort things out for themselves and be open to wider possibilities, if the option of benefits was extremely time limited. Lack of money tends to focus the mind.

Yes because I'm not screwed up enough to believe that workers who don't like their jobs turn into abusers. Enjoying something and doing it well are two separate things.

No only by one poster .You were right to start this thread it's so important to raise awareness and for people to realise not everything is black and white. I really hope you get a successful dla award through soon and pip for yourself if you think you may qualify.

Well if they don't do the job well / do the bare minimum then they lose the job.

Then no money.

Amazing how that changes attitudes when there are no other options.

If only you were there to advise the disgusting abusers who worked at Winterbourne View. Im totes sure the abuse wouldnt have happened if your magic words had been typed out on MN prior to what happened

Yep.

Children's homes are more challenging than old people's homes. You have to deal with children with challenging behaviour who have come from abusive backgrounds.

Yes. They should have been spotted and thrown out of their jobs much sooner. No benefits to pick them up. Apart from a prison sentence.

Well it's unlikely the majority would be qualified to work in this kind of role anyway. But it's not generally a choice of a children's home or nothing.

I mean have you even LOOKED at the rental market lately?? Because just packing up our lives, moving the kids and finding a decent rental in a random town that currently has a night shift available at the local Tesco isn't that easily. And totally ignore the issue that DH is now giving up a job so I can work and has to also find a job. Or should we split up, he stay here and I'll go there? Except he was going to look after the kids whilst I worked nights. So now I still don't have a job, or help with childcare.

You'd do better to invest your energy into poor aspiration in WC girls thus reducing young pregnancies and increasing access to further education so that even when families find themselves in positions like mine, they've at least contributed through work for a decade +., and have stuff on their CV to fall back on, have the confidence to keep their education and work skills topped up, etc.

Im not saying everyone who has to end up doing the job to make ends meet will end up abusing residents. But if you force someone into it who doesnt want to do it the CHANCE and RISK of abuse is much higher.

Where is your evidence of this? Maybe the abusers are already abusers and really want the job to get access to vulnerable individuals?

Except people don't lose their jobs for doing the minimum contractually required of them. And jobs like carers roles so often require more than that.

Why the reticence to properly pay carers to make it an attractive CAREER for people who'd love to work in that area but can't live on the shit wages?

The excuses are relentless. Move to wherever it takes. Do whatever it takes. I am fairly certain people would become much more proactive without the lifestyle net to fall back on.

And where is the evidence that the money saved from this (if any) will go to disabled people.