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What were the rules when you started work?

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QuickGuide · 28/04/2023 15:05

I worked in a bank from 1988. For men shirts must always be white, socks must never be white. For women, no open toed shoes and tights at all times.

But you were allowed to smoke at the counter whilst serving customers 😆

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MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 28/04/2023 19:04

We didn't have computers - tax computations were written out by hand

Oh yes, manual ledgers as well, which had to balance to the front sheet. Got computers with the data on floppy disks late 80s ish.

DahliaMacNamara · 28/04/2023 19:05

I don't remember coming up against any explicitly draconian regulations about clothing and personal appearance. I think there was a degree of tacit expectation to conform to contemporary norms around hair colour and tattoos.
One employer, unusually, didn't allow smoking in the office, but compensated aggrieved smokers by allowing them frequent extra breaks to go outside for a fag. Of course that turned into a social thing, with smokers disappearing en masse for a chat, while us miffed non-smokers carried on working. Asking for a similar concession for ourselves was considered unreasonable; hadn't they already gone out of their way to accommodate people? Well, then.

Vitriolinsanity · 28/04/2023 19:06

You absolutely were never allowed to be overdrawn.

You made full use of your sick entitlement but never wrote a cheque on those days because it came back to your branch to be sorted. Schoolgirl error not to take out cash the day before.

Hawkins003 · 28/04/2023 19:07

Ours is smart but suitable for different events

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 28/04/2023 19:07

First bank I worked for had a tea lady, as well. The trolley came round twice a day.

Vitriolinsanity · 28/04/2023 19:12

I'm not kidding when I say that in 1994 Next stocked sheer blouses and every woman wore one with a lace bra, mid-calf pencil skirt and 6 inch heels.

Investment Bank

jay55 · 28/04/2023 19:12

Late 90s tech, no real rules unless clients were in.

Craftycorvid · 28/04/2023 19:13

Gosh, memory lane! Being told off for wearing trousers (special dispensation if it was snowing); my then boss and his secretary having lengthy boozy lunch breaks (and yes, apparently there were things going on other than a large G&T); whilst temping back in the early 90s, the tea lady came round and brought stewed beverage of your choice to your desk. Using an electric typewriter in my first job. When I was at uni’ one of my tutors was a smoker so any tutorial with him involved being kippered whilst praised.

Vitriolinsanity · 28/04/2023 19:15

We were also on a post rota.

I was removed, and given a warning, because I forgot to reduce the postage and franked dozens of letters with A4 postage.

Craftycorvid · 28/04/2023 19:15

No specific rules with the typewriter except carbon paper (and who else remembers that?) had to be used until carbon copies were faint shadows of the original. If you switched the machine on at the wall first the motor would ‘jump’ and the typewriter hop across the desk!

Vitriolinsanity · 28/04/2023 19:16

@FinallyHere I twigged that in the late 90's. IT was a license to print money.

Savethepuffins · 28/04/2023 19:16

Late 70s solicitors office. Ash tray on every desk. Pub at lunchtime (alcohol). Telex with the tape and manual typewriters. Using coloured pens to mark up document changes by hand. Can’t remember any particular dress code. Lots of laughs. Luncheon vouchers.

FinallyHere · 28/04/2023 19:17

@Vitriolinsanity 😁

Schoolchoicesucks · 28/04/2023 19:18

GreatBigBoots · 28/04/2023 16:13

Finance professional in the mid 90s. Women were not allowed to wear trousers and in the first week all female trainees were required to attend training on 'Office attire'. This included being shown photographs of women in with/without make-up, and in different types of clothing so that we could agree which gave a more professional impression (spoiler alert- the correct answer was heels, suit or fitted dress with a jacket and make-up). We also all had to empty our handbags on the desk at one point as part of a session on what we should carry as a professional woman (ans= comb, pack of tissues, lipstick, san-pro in a small tin, small purse and a small mirror). No such training for the men.

Also, managers each had their own office and many were a fug of smoke. Every year the male staff had an unofficial vote on which woman had the best legs in the office and the winner was announced on the company notice board.

Sadly had this in the 00's too apart from the smoking in offices.

Daffodilwoman · 28/04/2023 19:21

I’m going to go back and read the whole thread after posting but here’s what I remember.
Women had to wear a court shoe in either black or navy. We were supposed to wear tights but in summer I didn’t. We wore a uniform and the women’s was a skirt not trousers. The male managers were always referred to as Mr X never their first name.
We wore name badges and lecherous men used to call you by your first name. I remember one man who was there with his wife coming on to me, it was kind of the norm. One young woman got talked about for getting promotions due to sleeping with the creepy, older, married, area manager. It was true. Apparently eventually it got to head office and they were furious. I also worked with another attractive woman who had an affair with a married boss, got promoted too. He was a dick. He interviewed me for a promotion and spent most of the interview asking how my husband would feel about looking after our child whilst I was at work. I didn’t get the job and he told my boss it was because I would be leaving my child with my husband whilst I came to work. Another co worker was told that instead of returning to work after maternity leave, she should stay at home and be a full time mother.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 28/04/2023 19:23

We were also on a post rota

Had completely forgotten the Civil Service post rota. This was at the height of IRA bombing campaigns so if we had a dodgy parcel we had to - wait for this - carry it down the road to the Dept of the Environment or whatever it was called in 1975 as they had a scanner. Yep, carry a parcel that might be a bomb ten minutes down the road. I have NO idea who came up with that gem but when I was doing the post the chances of me following that procedure were zero. And no-one saw anything wrong with it.

I also remember when the bank started having security on doors, after the Iran hostage crisis 1979. Before that people just walked in and out as they pleased, whoever they were. We had someone sitting at a desk at the front door but he was doing meeting and greeting, not security.

depre · 28/04/2023 19:28

I worked in a coffee shop where we used to batch bake and freeze cakes. Then each day we took trays of them out of the freezer for the next day and just sat them on top of the 2 large chest freezers. The freezers were in the store room which doubled as a staff room where we all sat smoking Blush

Heatherjayne1972 · 28/04/2023 19:33

First ‘proper’ dental nursing job 1990. Tights were mandatory
no scrubs - we wore dresses with a stretchy belt
no tattoos / unnatural hair colours or piercing- I got a verbal warning for having my third set of ear piercings
no computers so everything was handwritten
dentists were addressed as mr /mrs / miss x by everyone - occasionally we might use their initials but never ever their first name.
Reusing disposable items was normal
smoking in the staff room and eating in the surgery was normal. The lab we used had pornographic calendars up and I was labelled a ‘prude’ for objecting

in dentistry some things haven’t changed - still not allowed piercings ( they must be removed before work) Hair must be up in a bun and not allowed nail varnish / extensions/ long nails.

Lovegossip · 28/04/2023 19:35

Everywhere I've worked since 1996 has always been smart casual - though I wfh it's very very casual lol most days I just have shorts and t shirt on

Disneygirl37 · 28/04/2023 19:36

When I was a student nurse in 1997 the hospital had a social club where you could smoke on your break. We lived on cheesy chip, Benson and Hedges and Diet Coke 😂

blueshoes · 28/04/2023 19:36

Early 90s. Partners had an office with a buzzer. When they pressed it, their secretary would rush in with a shorthand notepad.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 28/04/2023 19:41

Sorry, this is going to be long.

Insurance office, early 1990s.

Men - suit (usually pinstripe blue for the senior brokers and finance, dark grey or navy blue for the younger ones - light grey or double breasted was for 'wide boys and used car salesmen'), tie, white or mid blue shirt, brown polished Oxford shoes (brogues for the really out there individuals), dark socks. Leather brief or attaché case expected.

Women - straight skirt, long sleeved cotton blouse, nearly black or tan tights of a minimum of 15 denier (never black as that would be 'too racy'), blazer on at all times to avoid seeing a bra strap through the blouse, hair tied back into a smooth bun or a chin-jaw length bob if you weren't aged 30, when the pressure started to have it cut short and permed to make it 'neater', waves disapproved of, only certain shades of blonde dye allowed, full make up including foundation, powder, mascara, brown or taupe eyeshadow, pink or tawny pink lipstick. Heeled shoes with pointed toes, only a tailored coat unless it was a Chanel quilted style. Handbags were encouraged, as was the use of perfume to ensure that any smell of cigarettes was concealed. Not having pink nails and large, glittery engagement, wedding and eternity rings marked you out as being unkempt and fundamentally untrustworthy, so you were not allowed to go into the office where the men worked.

The PA was the only one permitted to wear 'prettier' clothes, as she was exempt from the rule of the office manager. She would therefore wear dresses or skirts that swished as she walked, cardigans, silk blouses, jewellery and have her hair down or wavy/curled. There was a minor commotion when she came to work wearing an ankle chain and had long, orange nails on return from a two week break in the Caribbean.

Smoking permitted at 11 and 2.30 breaktimes when the lovely cleaning lady would come round with the trolley and biscuits - this was essential even after redundancies because she had a mortgage to pay on her huge Victorian house in Zone 2 and the extra four hours meant she could cover it without having to get a second job cleaning a school in the afternoon. She earned about £3/hour.

Eating anything other than biscuits had to be done in the break/smoking room. Nobody was allowed to work through their lunch. Obligatory lunchtimes and Fridays in the pub. And Christmas involved the entire office going out from 1.30pm - late to a posh hotel on the company. If somebody accidentally overdid it at lunchtime, betting was opened on whether they would faceplant into the desk or fall off their chair and at what time.

NHS c. 2005.

Men - shirt and tie, leather shoes. Jacket could be placed on the back of a chair in an office and sleeves could be rolled up in summer as long as there were no visible tattoos, but the jacket had to go on when walking around site.

Women - knee length dark skirt suit, tan or barely black tights, black tops were not exactly approved of unless you were of a faith group that expected married women to cover their neck and arms to the elbow and to cover their natural hair, a cardigan could be worn in airconditioned offices not public facing as it protected against any bra straps showing. No blouses with sleeves above mid bicep as it meant somebody might see a hint of bra or outline of breast. Heeled court shoes only in black or Navy blue mandatory and it was a disciplinary offence to be seen in trainers at any time on site, including before and after work time. Only biologically possible hair colours allowed, no nail varnish, 'natural' full make up expected, a single item of jewellery in addition to a wedding or engagement ring, hair must be smooth and tied back at all times unless above chin length. Only one lobe piercing permitted. Any woman below the age of 40 was to be prevented from speaking to a doctor inside their office or consulting room at all costs. Unless they also had short cropped hair or were aged over 70, trousers and flat shoes were strongly disapproved of. Animal print would have been a serious clothing standards emergency. Must never been seen to be eating, but expected to stay at your desk through lunch. If the management meeting left catering leftovers (they always did), you could take them home but never eat them at work. If you went to the pub at lunchtime, you had to make sure that alcohol couldn't be smelled on your breath and you were quizzed as to whether you were there at the same time as any of the doctors (not because they were worried about them being drunk - that boat left sometime around 1845 - but because you might be entering into a liaison with one).

Education now.

Men - trousers, shirt, shoes, preferably clean and uncreased. Jumper for colder days. Often accessorised with a scarf when crossing the site. Black trainers will be strategically ignored outside Parent meetings. If your tattoos include a naked woman, please don't roll your sleeves up that high.

Women - we don't want to see more than the general outline of your boobs or your backside. So wear tights if your skirt is more than 4 inches above your knees, please. And proper, flat shoes or boots make it less likely you'll have your toes or ankle broken as Year 9 go thundering down the corridors. Don't expect any sympathy if a piercing gets caught and we'll ask you in private if you're alright if you look a little dishevelled, but will compliment you on anything and everything.

Other than that, crack on because we're just glad we managed to recruit you.

AlwaysGinPlease · 28/04/2023 19:43

Late 80s. Full make up, trousers were allowed but very much frowned upon. Smoked at desks, smoked everywhere. Men were mainly smutty revolting sexists bastards. Sexual harassment and even assault was ignored. Fucking hated it.

QuickGuide · 28/04/2023 19:44

NeverDropYourMooncup · 28/04/2023 19:41

Sorry, this is going to be long.

Insurance office, early 1990s.

Men - suit (usually pinstripe blue for the senior brokers and finance, dark grey or navy blue for the younger ones - light grey or double breasted was for 'wide boys and used car salesmen'), tie, white or mid blue shirt, brown polished Oxford shoes (brogues for the really out there individuals), dark socks. Leather brief or attaché case expected.

Women - straight skirt, long sleeved cotton blouse, nearly black or tan tights of a minimum of 15 denier (never black as that would be 'too racy'), blazer on at all times to avoid seeing a bra strap through the blouse, hair tied back into a smooth bun or a chin-jaw length bob if you weren't aged 30, when the pressure started to have it cut short and permed to make it 'neater', waves disapproved of, only certain shades of blonde dye allowed, full make up including foundation, powder, mascara, brown or taupe eyeshadow, pink or tawny pink lipstick. Heeled shoes with pointed toes, only a tailored coat unless it was a Chanel quilted style. Handbags were encouraged, as was the use of perfume to ensure that any smell of cigarettes was concealed. Not having pink nails and large, glittery engagement, wedding and eternity rings marked you out as being unkempt and fundamentally untrustworthy, so you were not allowed to go into the office where the men worked.

The PA was the only one permitted to wear 'prettier' clothes, as she was exempt from the rule of the office manager. She would therefore wear dresses or skirts that swished as she walked, cardigans, silk blouses, jewellery and have her hair down or wavy/curled. There was a minor commotion when she came to work wearing an ankle chain and had long, orange nails on return from a two week break in the Caribbean.

Smoking permitted at 11 and 2.30 breaktimes when the lovely cleaning lady would come round with the trolley and biscuits - this was essential even after redundancies because she had a mortgage to pay on her huge Victorian house in Zone 2 and the extra four hours meant she could cover it without having to get a second job cleaning a school in the afternoon. She earned about £3/hour.

Eating anything other than biscuits had to be done in the break/smoking room. Nobody was allowed to work through their lunch. Obligatory lunchtimes and Fridays in the pub. And Christmas involved the entire office going out from 1.30pm - late to a posh hotel on the company. If somebody accidentally overdid it at lunchtime, betting was opened on whether they would faceplant into the desk or fall off their chair and at what time.

NHS c. 2005.

Men - shirt and tie, leather shoes. Jacket could be placed on the back of a chair in an office and sleeves could be rolled up in summer as long as there were no visible tattoos, but the jacket had to go on when walking around site.

Women - knee length dark skirt suit, tan or barely black tights, black tops were not exactly approved of unless you were of a faith group that expected married women to cover their neck and arms to the elbow and to cover their natural hair, a cardigan could be worn in airconditioned offices not public facing as it protected against any bra straps showing. No blouses with sleeves above mid bicep as it meant somebody might see a hint of bra or outline of breast. Heeled court shoes only in black or Navy blue mandatory and it was a disciplinary offence to be seen in trainers at any time on site, including before and after work time. Only biologically possible hair colours allowed, no nail varnish, 'natural' full make up expected, a single item of jewellery in addition to a wedding or engagement ring, hair must be smooth and tied back at all times unless above chin length. Only one lobe piercing permitted. Any woman below the age of 40 was to be prevented from speaking to a doctor inside their office or consulting room at all costs. Unless they also had short cropped hair or were aged over 70, trousers and flat shoes were strongly disapproved of. Animal print would have been a serious clothing standards emergency. Must never been seen to be eating, but expected to stay at your desk through lunch. If the management meeting left catering leftovers (they always did), you could take them home but never eat them at work. If you went to the pub at lunchtime, you had to make sure that alcohol couldn't be smelled on your breath and you were quizzed as to whether you were there at the same time as any of the doctors (not because they were worried about them being drunk - that boat left sometime around 1845 - but because you might be entering into a liaison with one).

Education now.

Men - trousers, shirt, shoes, preferably clean and uncreased. Jumper for colder days. Often accessorised with a scarf when crossing the site. Black trainers will be strategically ignored outside Parent meetings. If your tattoos include a naked woman, please don't roll your sleeves up that high.

Women - we don't want to see more than the general outline of your boobs or your backside. So wear tights if your skirt is more than 4 inches above your knees, please. And proper, flat shoes or boots make it less likely you'll have your toes or ankle broken as Year 9 go thundering down the corridors. Don't expect any sympathy if a piercing gets caught and we'll ask you in private if you're alright if you look a little dishevelled, but will compliment you on anything and everything.

Other than that, crack on because we're just glad we managed to recruit you.

You must have remembered that wrong. Surely never brown shoes in town?!

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AnneElliott · 28/04/2023 19:48

Late 90s M&S - tights had to be worn until it reached 90 degrees at which point the manager would put a notice up in the staff room and you could remove them on your next break.

Plus you had to ask permission to use the toilet and longer than 5 minutes and they'd dock your pay.