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If you live in Greater Manchester but not the City of Manchester - do you see yourself as a Mancunian?

123 replies

Londre · 26/04/2023 21:16

Was having a chat with a colleague who live in Wigan (which I believe is in Greater Manchester) but she doesn’t view herself as someone from Manchester.

I live in the West Midlands county but I don’t view myself as a Brummie.

OP posts:
BashirWithTheGoodBeard · 26/04/2023 22:32

Manchester.

Honeyroar · 26/04/2023 22:36

ConstanceContraire · 26/04/2023 21:42

Also OP I'm guessing it depends on how much the 'local' place has an identity of its own?
I'm a city girl. Most of my social life revolves around Manchester. There's little to do in my rundown town centre (although I live in a 'nice street'). I moved here from Altrincham which I quite liked but couldn't quite afford. People there identify as being from Cheshire, not Manchester, as it's more uppercrust.

Where I live used is part of the historic county of Cheshire too but poles apart in terms of affluence etc. There's no point in 'identifying'.

OTOH Stockport has a lot more going on. As a major town it has an identity of an own. If I lived there I'd certainly say 'Stockport' instead of Manchester.

It all depends honestly.

There are places like Saddleworth which are beautiful villages. Historically part of Yorkshire, not in 'Greater Manchester'. It's a 40 min drive to Manchester and and 1.5 hour train journey so I don't think they'd spend enough time there to identify with it.

Chadderton? Probably Mancunian. It, like Saddleworth is in the same 'borough' Oldham but 20 mins away, just like I am. Feel free to correct me though if anyone here's from there

Yes I completely agree. I’m from a countryside part of greater Manchester on the Lancashire/Yorkshire border. That’s pretty much what I say. My accent isn’t Mancunian and I can’t remember when I last went to Manchester.

PiranhaTank · 26/04/2023 22:40

I'm from Prestwich and 100% consider myself a Mancunian but Bury is another place altogether. It has totally different vibe and accent -in a good way!

confusedallthetime1 · 26/04/2023 22:40

ConstanceContraire · 26/04/2023 21:29

Large parts of Greater Manchester are part of other historic counties. Wigan is similar - I have no clue why it's even part of 'Greater Manchester' as it's closer to Lancashire and so far away.

Tameside resident here. 20 min drive from Manchester Piccadilly, so yes Mancunian and proud!

Fellow Tamesider here and I'm defo a Manc!

BashirWithTheGoodBeard · 26/04/2023 22:43

PiranhaTank · 26/04/2023 22:40

I'm from Prestwich and 100% consider myself a Mancunian but Bury is another place altogether. It has totally different vibe and accent -in a good way!

Exactly my view about both Prestwich and Bury!

TokenGinger · 26/04/2023 22:44

Hello fellow Tamesider!

I also consider myself a Mancunian. I’m approx 15-20 minutes away from the city centre. I can get a train there in 9 minutes for work, but I’m far enough away from the hustle and bustle of the city centre which is nice.

eleanorwish · 26/04/2023 23:13

Born and brought up in Ashton, educated in Droylsden. Definitely not a Manc.
I live down south now and whenever I go home, the Manchester accent seems to have spread outwards. When I was growing up my accent was proper Lancashire, like Peter Kaye.

goldfootball · 26/04/2023 23:25

@ConstanceContraire

I didn’t realise wilsmlow and Alderly Edge we’re SK postcodes too! That’s funny. I only mentioned the postcodes particularly because when we were in tiered lockdown I worked in an ambiguous zone and it was unclear if I could go the pub down the road. They were asking people their postcodes at one point so I thought it must be different! It also got quite funny at work because there was a lot of rubbing about people who weren’t *quite in Cheshire.

I can’t even remember what the boundaries were at this point but it was a bit of local drama.

Taxistaxing · 26/04/2023 23:37

@Lucimaya ...and yet alty properties all have postcodes starting with WA from when they were in Cheshire.

ClemmyTine · 26/04/2023 23:39

I'm from Salford, so I'm a Salfordian.

WeAreBorg · 27/04/2023 00:00

BashirWithTheGoodBeard · 26/04/2023 22:43

Exactly my view about both Prestwich and Bury!

But if you’re on the cusp - nudging Whitefield - then you’re from Bury but have the Manc accent so it’s a tough one to call.

I don’t know how Wigan could ever be considered Mancunian though

RedToothBrush · 27/04/2023 00:06

Londre · 26/04/2023 21:24

Isn’t wigan part of Greater Manchester? That’s why I asked the question and wondered how it varied

She's a Pie Eater.
Wigan has its own cultural identity.
OP has caused great offence to her friend and should apologise profusely.

You need to be careful in Trafford about calling someone a Mancunian too. Some will smile, whilst others will glare at you and say "I'm from Cheshire don't you know" and still use Cheshire on their address instead of Trafford or Greater Manchester.

Cheshiresun · 27/04/2023 00:22

Taxistaxing · 26/04/2023 23:37

@Lucimaya ...and yet alty properties all have postcodes starting with WA from when they were in Cheshire.

WA Postcode is for Warrington too, and Widnes, that both used to be Lancashire but for the last almost 50 years, are now Cheshire.

Cheshire postcodes are CH for Chester. Although Wirral has CH postcodes also and they are Merseyside (but used to be Cheshire).

Trafford is covered by Greater Manchester Police and Greater Manchester Fire Service.

Changingmynameyetagain · 27/04/2023 00:24

I live in Bury proper just outside the town Center and I’m a Manc, I was born and brought up in Miles Platting which is very much Manchester.

My children also say they are from Manchester but my MIL would say she was Lancastrian, she’s definitely not from Manchester.

RedToothBrush · 27/04/2023 00:29

Cheshiresun · 27/04/2023 00:22

WA Postcode is for Warrington too, and Widnes, that both used to be Lancashire but for the last almost 50 years, are now Cheshire.

Cheshire postcodes are CH for Chester. Although Wirral has CH postcodes also and they are Merseyside (but used to be Cheshire).

Trafford is covered by Greater Manchester Police and Greater Manchester Fire Service.

No. Half of Warrington used to be in Lancashire. The other half was not. Again you will upset a lot of people by suggesting differently.

The border was the Mersey.

Cheshiresun · 27/04/2023 00:32

Trafford - Manchester.

Who do you pay your rates to? Trafford isn't part of Cheshire (Cheshire East or Chester & Cheshire East).

Like the Real Housewives of Cheshire, half of them not even living there.

Cheshiresun · 27/04/2023 00:33

Chester & Cheshire West sorry!

Groovy48592747 · 27/04/2023 00:48

Working in public services, some people like to try to amend their county incorrectly. I always change someone's address when sending letters to the correct county. (Not the one some people think they live in, or would like to, or which might have been the case half a century or more ago) and print it in capital letters 😂

Whisper23 · 27/04/2023 01:18

It's complicated. I was born in Salford when it was part of Lancashire so I'm both a Salfordian and a Lancashire lass. I grew up in a suburb of Salford that for most of my life has been part of Greater Manchester and has a Manchester phone number and postcode so I also consider myself a Manc. I then moved over the border into Wigan MBC with a Wigan phone number but still had a Manchester postcode. I lived there for twenty years so I'm also a tiny bit pie eater.

echt · 27/04/2023 05:11

Londre · 26/04/2023 21:16

Was having a chat with a colleague who live in Wigan (which I believe is in Greater Manchester) but she doesn’t view herself as someone from Manchester.

I live in the West Midlands county but I don’t view myself as a Brummie.

Your colleague is not only not a Mancunian, they are a Wiganer, or Pie-Eater as they are also known by all right-thinking folk.

FangedFrisbee · 27/04/2023 05:53

@Cheshiresun at the risk of outing myself actually I live in Cheshire and my post code is SK for Stockport. We are the very end village in Cheshire east and dear god if you suggested armed Stockport because of being sk you'd be lynched on the Facebook group 😂😂. People get very upset about correcting others about Cheshire east v Greater Manchester. Hmm

GroomedForSerfdom · 27/04/2023 05:56

Apparently a more modern distinction is -
Inside the m60 - manc. Outside the m60 - not.
Might work up Prestwich/Whitefield I guess

Justturnitoffandonagain · 27/04/2023 06:10

Brought up in Gorton, lived in Stockport for few years and now in the Droylsden area. Definitely consider myself Manc, my accent certainly is!
I work with 3 people from Wigan who do not consider themselves Mancunian and 2 from Salford who do. The 3 Liverpudlians I work with consider us all Mancs 😂

bellinisurge · 27/04/2023 06:19

No. And She probably has a Wigan/South Lancashire accent which is very distinctive.

RedToothBrush · 27/04/2023 09:15

Cheshiresun · 27/04/2023 00:32

Trafford - Manchester.

Who do you pay your rates to? Trafford isn't part of Cheshire (Cheshire East or Chester & Cheshire East).

Like the Real Housewives of Cheshire, half of them not even living there.

The upcoming electoral boundary changes will fuck things up even more.

It means you could be in a different county to the one you vote in, the one your postal code is, your historical one, the one you were born in, the one that polices you and the local health authority you are under.

All without moving.

It's actually fucked up in terms of identity. So actually I think people belligerently imposing what they think others are on them is an act of rudeness and has no bearing on where people necessarily 'live their lives' especially in areas of significant overlap of various administration.

Cheshire effectively no long exists as a county with any power. It is purely an historical entity.
Cheshire Police covers parts of Runcorn which is part of Halton. Halton is part of the six boroughs of Liverpool City Region. Yet the metropolitan are of Merseyside is five counties not including Halton.
Warrington and Halton are part of the same hospital trust. Warrington is a unity authority and part of neither Chester and Cheshire West nor Cheshire East. Warrington has a WA postcode.
Altrincham and Knutsford also have WA post codes. Altrincham is in Trafford. Knutsford is in Cheshire East. One of the main postal distribution centres is in Altrincham and covers a wide area - including many parts not in the same county.
Tatton is about to be abolished. It was created from parts of Runcorn, Cheadle, Northwich and Knutsford. Its history owes a lot to the historical boundaries of the old Cheshire hundred 'Bucklow'. See the map. It dates back to 1260
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucklow_Hundred Bucklow Rural District (you know where you register births, deaths and marriages) existed from 1894 to 1974. It was the rural area to the around Knutsford. Being more rural this shaped it's development and actually this has a lot to do with the current character of these areas today despite them being in multiple different authorities for different things. Where is built up and developed owes a lot to this boundary today. Planning decisions and priorities made in the 1950, 60 and 70s remain very relevant (where roads and houses were plonked and create their own new boundaries and communities which still exist today).
Then let's talk about Ellesmere Port. Currently part of Chester and Cheshire West. It used to be its own county of Ellesmere Port and Neston. A relic of this is Ellesmere Port and Neston constituency which still exists. Neston used to be part of Wirral.
Warrington South Constituency broadly follows the border of the Mersey. This is where the old county boundary of Cheshire was. It is about to change. The character of Warrington South differs considerably to Warrington North. Warrington has one of the highest levels of inequality in the country - and that pretty much follows the old Cheshire border. People from Warrington North will still put Lancashire on their addresses, which the South will put Cheshire. It's not simply about snobbery as it happens both sides of the Mersey. Warrington North is more urbanised and centres around the town, whilst Warrington South is firmly suburban commuter belt with people more typical working greater distances from home (or since COVID working from home). People in Warrington South will often have closer ties with other areas rather than being tied to the town itself.

All of this is relevant to where you regard yourself from. And what your identity is.

Personally I think the idea of being Mancunian tends to link with how urban the area you live in is now - how close you live to a metrolink stop has more of a bearing than whether you are within the confines of Greater Manchester.

The towns to the north of Manchester tend to have particularly strong local identities whilst still forming part of Greater Manchester. This also ties with migration patterns: the south Manchester commuter belt has seen more of an influx of people from the south England and more people have left to go to university/ find jobs elsewhere, which has broken traditional senses of identity in a different way to the north where people have stayed for longer.

This is also why not everyone gets why these identities remain important to some. They don't share in that history and have perhaps moved about more either themselves or their parents have in recent years. And there are elements of socio-economic history and pride that remain important.

People who are dismissive of this, don't understand and are looking to remove things which are important to others. Things do change and we don't live in 1974 anymore but there are still things which continue to be important and have an impact on lives and there is a heritage contained in there too. Cheshire was a very rural area (much of it still is). If you don't have good public transport that has an impact on your day to day life and how you live it. For me a modern Mancunian identity relates to this concept of urban connectivity.

The whole thing fascinates me tbh.

Bucklow Hundred - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucklow_Hundred

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