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Noddy21 · 16/04/2023 09:00

Can anyone explain to me why people are so against having an alert sent to their phones. I understand it’s a strange thing to set up if it is for what they say it’s is for ie floods and earthquakes etc, I believe it’s incase we go to war. But I see people saying it’s a way of the government trying to control us, I don’t see how it’s control. This is a genuine question and not to be controversial.

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Needmorelego · 16/04/2023 11:05

@Whendovescry03 they won't know if the system works if they don't test it. It's got to be tested at some point.

brooksidebackside · 16/04/2023 11:08

I have absolutely no issue with receiving the information. The intrusive method is what I am protecting myself from, not the information. If they want to pop it in a text I would be fine with that, but the unexpected alert sound/vibration is not something I need to be concerned about.

When you ask how I currently find out information about emergency situations I guess in the same way anyone else does at this point, the media, other people etc.

brooksidebackside · 16/04/2023 11:08

@Needmorelego

Sorry the above was reply to you

Needmorelego · 16/04/2023 11:13

@brooksidebackside maybe this is feedback the government needs - send a message but not have the alarm sound unless you want it.
You should be able to opt for alarm off completely (which you can already do) or the sound of the alarm off but you still recieve the message like any other text message.
I don't know how feedback could be given though - maybe the relevant charities could get involved ?

onefinemess · 16/04/2023 11:16

Well, we don't have flash floods or dust storms or tornadoes in the UK, so a ational warning system is irrelevant.

The argument for "local" alerts, that is to say an alert sent from a single mast to the immediate surrounding area, warning of some disaster is equally hard to believe. I can't imagine any scenario where a person living in a small Welsh valley would need an alert sent to their phones to warn them about the weather. They could see it from their front door.

A more plausible explanation however is to test the technology required to control the mass movement of people.

If an alert can successfully be sent to say a local area, then it also means that other information could also be sent to that area. When all new cars are "connected" via their on-board Sim, and they are/will be electric, it will take nothing more than the press of a button to Geo-fence an entire area so no vehicles or mobiles can operate within it. Remember, this alert will disable your handset and you won't be able to use it until you read the emergency message. They can do exactly the same to your vehicle.

I can easily imagine a scenario where your private vehicle will only work if the government allows it to be switched on, or where whole areas can be electronically isolated so you can't drive there. So no more congestion charges or LTN's, they will just switch off your car via a text message to stop you driving there.

It also means they can see how many handsets have received the message, which gives an over view of population density and movement.

It's all very sinister, we have willingly walked ourselves into a totalitarian nightmare.

Ifailed · 16/04/2023 11:18

Well personally I don't want the alarm potentially scaring the shit out of me if I'm driving at the time
As you're not supposed to use a phone when driving, why not just turn it off?

Crunchymum · 16/04/2023 11:19

It's designed for X but who is to say it won't end up being used for Y and Z. We have not been consulted or given consent.

I've left mine on, out of curiosity. But I do know how to turn it off in settings so I can and and probably will turn it off.

brooksidebackside · 16/04/2023 11:20

Needmorelego · 16/04/2023 11:13

@brooksidebackside maybe this is feedback the government needs - send a message but not have the alarm sound unless you want it.
You should be able to opt for alarm off completely (which you can already do) or the sound of the alarm off but you still recieve the message like any other text message.
I don't know how feedback could be given though - maybe the relevant charities could get involved ?

It's not my fight to have. I'm happy getting though my life quietly day by day. If people want to campaign and challenge this that's up to them. I'm not mentally able to and neither do I want to. I have the choice to switch it off, it's off.

I don't think I'm going to miss much, you can't fart in this town and it's on the local Facebook page. I think if an alert goes off in the future it will very quickly make it to social and mainstream media.

GraysPapaya · 16/04/2023 11:21

I can’t see the issue. I used to work in government and I can see real value in it.
Especially with the way the Russian war is going.

Needmorelego · 16/04/2023 11:22

@onefinemess the UK does have flash floods - remember that village in Cornwall several years back.
@Ifailed the alarm will still sound if your phone is just switched off. That's the point of it - it's for big emergencies where information needs to be sent quickly.

brooksidebackside · 16/04/2023 11:24

Ifailed · 16/04/2023 11:18

Well personally I don't want the alarm potentially scaring the shit out of me if I'm driving at the time
As you're not supposed to use a phone when driving, why not just turn it off?

I use mine all the time for Spotify/CarPlay

Why should people switch their phones off every time they drive Confused

Whendovescry03 · 16/04/2023 11:24

@Needmorelego I just read in the news that if your phone is off or on airplane mode you won't get the alert.

Ifailed · 16/04/2023 11:26

the alarm will still sound if your phone is just switched off
No it won't.

tommika · 16/04/2023 11:29

TheyIndeed · 16/04/2023 10:01

I don't really care.

HOWEVER, I feel like an emergency text message system would achieve the same result in a safer way.

I am not particularly looking forward to the day I'm driving merrily along and someone bashes into me because they were startled by an alarm that they then had to switch off.

It is an emergency text message system

The standard SMS text system is sent to individual numbers, gets delays, may be unsuccessful etc and isn’t directed to a location

Use of normal SMS would feed the conspiracy side more by requiring those opting out to register their opting out etc

This will be a single broadcast to all 4g & 5g phones currently active within range of relevant masts
If the phone is off, in airplane mode or not picking up a signal then it won’t receive the message later once connected

welshpolarbear · 16/04/2023 11:29

I agree op, I don't know what all the fuss is about.

When we were in NY a few years ago our phones went off, as did everyone's around us, to alert of a young girl who'd gone missing.

The drama was quite exciting! Lol. She was found I read in an article later.

Needmorelego · 16/04/2023 11:30

@Whendovescry03 oh that's different to what I have read. I've read you need to completely change your settings to not recieve it but if your phone is just switched off it will work.
Well we will find out on the 23rd.
Hopefully everyone who needs to be safe for whatever reasons will know to change their settings in advance.
I am weirdly quite excited for it and plan to line up all the family phones to see it happen.
Must remember to remind mother in law it's happening. She probably won't hear the alarm anyway because her telly will be up to loud.
Look after yourself @brooksidebackside 💐

brooksidebackside · 16/04/2023 11:31

@tommika

It differs from text messages in that you cannot leave the alert on and readable yet silence it. My phone is always on silent and I read all incoming texts. This is not the same as it will make a noise and we have no control over that aspect.

KLFisgonnarockyou · 16/04/2023 11:31

Yeah, I find it a bit ridiculous that people (except in some special circumstances) are worried about it. It’s about adding an additional communications channel to the exiting systems. Every communications system has a weakness (young people don’t watch TV news, old people don’t have social media, etc) and this is one way of filling the gap, and one that’s commonly used. If we’d stayed in the EU, there is an EU directive on this.

brooksidebackside · 16/04/2023 11:32

@Needmorelego

Thank you, I appreciate that.

tommika · 16/04/2023 11:33

Needmorelego · 16/04/2023 11:22

@onefinemess the UK does have flash floods - remember that village in Cornwall several years back.
@Ifailed the alarm will still sound if your phone is just switched off. That's the point of it - it's for big emergencies where information needs to be sent quickly.

It won’t sound on phones that are off
The point is an emergency, but though the test is national the intended purpose will be localised - what if you turn off to get on a plane, fly to Australia and receive a UK emergency

A phone that is off is not receiving a signal from a mast

Okunevo · 16/04/2023 11:33

The way they've gone about it. They could make it opt in rather than opt out. I paid for my phone, if I've set it to silent or vibrate then I expect it to stay that way.

The not allowing use of the phone until the alert is acknowledged, some vulnerable people will not know if that could be a scam. I expect there will be scams on that day, like there was with covid alerts and CoL payments. My grandmother doesn't want it as she thinks a loud alarm will give her a shock, even though she knows about it.

Needmorelego · 16/04/2023 11:34

@Ifailed ah yes you are right. I just checked. If your phone is off (just regular off) you don't get the alarm.
My mistake 🙂

BurntOutGirl · 16/04/2023 11:36

London Marathon is on Sunday... wonder how the alert is going to interfere with the runners phones.

tommika · 16/04/2023 11:38

Noddy21 · 16/04/2023 09:00

Can anyone explain to me why people are so against having an alert sent to their phones. I understand it’s a strange thing to set up if it is for what they say it’s is for ie floods and earthquakes etc, I believe it’s incase we go to war. But I see people saying it’s a way of the government trying to control us, I don’t see how it’s control. This is a genuine question and not to be controversial.

The purpose is for emergency notification of threat to life etc

Emergency notification of floods & earthquakes are examples, but not the only ones.

War has been picked on in the hype due to the current climate.
If the UK went to war in Ukraine, then that would not be a direct emergency threat to life in the UK

FredaFox · 16/04/2023 11:39

Other countries have had this for years, I see no issue in it other than people who may have secret phones for dv reasons

As always conspiracists are running away with themselves 🙄
No other country objects to things like the Brits, during lockdown Australia Spain etc had rules during full city lockdowns you couldn't go out at night, no way people follow that in this country

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