Teacher shot by 6 year old $40M lawsuit

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The teacher in the US who was shot by the 6 year old who brought a gun into school is suing her school authority. The child was known to be violent.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65171455

This got me thinking about what happens when violent children are put into school settings, how is it possible to manage their behaviour and protect other pupils or the staff?

I have absolutely no idea what the answer is but I do remember one particular pupil at my kids' primary school who was out of control yet remained at the school.

I'd be interested to hear thoughts and opinions.

@YetMoreNewBeginnings so you think leaving a gun where their 6 year old can get his hands on it, bring it to school and shoot his teacher with it is "best" parenting?

Point out to me where I said that?

The thread isn’t only talking about that case. It’s talking about violent children in schools generally…

This got me thinking about what happens when violent children are put into school settings, how is it possible to manage their behaviour and protect other pupils or the staff?

Hence pointing out that the vast majority of parents are doing their best

What does Alternative Provision consist of? (Real question as I don't know)

I'm not familiar with teaching, but I'm curious about OP's question too. Even if the funding was there, I'm curious about the practicalities as to how you might handle a student with known violence issues? Teaching is a female dominated profession, and anyway teenagers might overpower male teachers.

I'm also thinking of a friend of mine in a special education school where being hurt by students in incidences is par for the course, although I'm sure I've heard they have procedures etc for restraining students (not sure what that practically consists of).

AP can consist of much smaller numbers, higher staff ratio who are paid a SEN Allowance so a bit better than mainstream.

Academic expectations are lower and there are more opportunities for work related/practical qualifications instead. They can generally be more flexible around individual needs in a way that mainstream school can't because of staffing.

@glowyhighway In my DDs case the SEN school she now attends has massively smaller classes (8 pupils instead of 26), specially trained staff (her class teacher and the 3 TAs in the class all had training on her care needs - same would apply to violent pupils), and more consideration of the area.

So one of the problems we had was that my DD will bite in reaction to pain. In her mainstream school the lack of space, the large number of children and the lack of TAs to deal with kids with other issues meant she was getting hurt 3/4 times a day. Which meant she was biting. (To put in context she is sedated for blood tests because her pain threshold is so low).

In the SEN school her wheelchair doesn’t bump things half as often as there’s space. There are more staff to prevent her being hurt by other children (accidentally or deliberately). The same staff can also protect other children easier who do accidentally hurt her because they’re in the class full time - not just trying to work out what hour a day is likely to be problematic.

The staff in her school are all trained in restraining pupils and have different training depending on circumstances.

I’m not saying it’s perfect - it’s not. Her teacher injured her hand dealing with a child having a horrible seizure earlier in the year and I don’t imagine the higher (slightly) pay makes up for all of it. But from what I’ve heard from them the better funding, more interventions, higher staff ratios and better pay at least help. Still more could be done though.

I've seen it that the school was warned by multiple people before it happened, even on the day of the shooting.
So, it's not the case of school couldn't do anything, I assume?
Also I think parents need to be responsible too. Keeping the gun where it was accessible by a 6 years old? That's madness.

Because parental responsibility is just another sound bite in many cases.

Shocking parenting can sometimes be changes with intervention and support, however that is mostly inexistent.

When it can't, it's still not the children's fault so the state and society need to pick up the slack. Otherwise you just end with another while generation of shocking parenting.

The long term goal would be reducing the numbers as much as possible not passing the buck.

As for the incident in America, it's all the more tragic because it could've been so easily prevented.

That gun, if needed at all, should've been kept unloaded, safety on in a locked box /cabinet. Ammunition should never be kept near the gun.

The kid was removed once and then he returned. However what support and interventions were available to him during that time and after?

It sounds like he is required to have a 1 to 1, but without his mother he wasn't provided with one.

The numerous complaints and safeguarding issues raised during his school years. The lack of action.

The lack of action and intervention when several pupils AND staff raised concerns about a gun and stated they had seen one. It's fucking ridiculous. The people in charge should not only be fired, they should be charged for criminal negligence. So should the parents.

Now you have a teacher that was shot ,traumatised and significant injuries and medical bills. A teacher that might never return to a classroom.

A bunch of scared and traumatised 6 yos that had to be taken to safety because their classmate shot their teacher. At school.

A six year old that shot another person and now has to live with it and the aftermath.

Thinking the same thing. But then again the whole gun/America thing, I mean, wit?