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Applying for Irish nationality -impact on family

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Matchingcollarandcuffs · 03/04/2023 09:04

Hello

I very fortuitously can apply for Irish naturalisation through my late grandpa. As DCs are teens it’s too late for them, and am I right that the only way DH could benefit is if we divorced and remarried?

Are there any benefits when travelling to the EU of being the spouse/child of an EU citizen.

I just despair of the massive brick wall (gaping chasm) we’ve built to block off our kids from so many opportunities.

Thank you

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QuitRunningForThatRunawayBus · 03/04/2023 09:08

My dH has an Irish passport, I gain no benefit from it at all sadly, nor do his children. For him, he can spend more than 90 days in the Schengen area, I can't without a visa.

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Matchingcollarandcuffs · 03/04/2023 09:29

@QuitRunningForThatRunawayBus does being a spouse make a difference for the visa application?

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QuitRunningForThatRunawayBus · 03/04/2023 09:42

No, none at all, sadly.

Humphriescushion · 03/04/2023 09:49

All my immediate family have Irish passports except me ( dh, and dds). I stupidly didn’t get one years ago when I lived there but it wasn’t really important then. I get no benefit, and wait in line at passport control while they swan through.

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Matchingcollarandcuffs · 03/04/2023 10:05

Oh well, still worth it anyway I suppose

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OKFinally · 03/04/2023 10:13

I have an Irish passport ditto my son, my DH is stuck with a GB one.

Last year when we landed in Malaga , those of you familiar will get this..huge queue to go through the double doors, I walked up to the single door on the left and was just about to stroll through when this meathead for the want of a better word, shouted ‘scuse me love there is a queue, I brandished my Irish passport and said not for me there isn’t, smiled sweetly and swanned through…

DH was behind them in the queue, and heard his wife saying that’s F*ing Brexit for you, I told you not to vote to leave….

Enjoy your Irish passport. Grin

In the interest of balance, first through, means I have to grab the bags. 🙄😂

Small price to pay. IMO

IAmInMeHoop · 03/04/2023 10:16

QuitRunningForThatRunawayBus · 03/04/2023 09:08

My dH has an Irish passport, I gain no benefit from it at all sadly, nor do his children. For him, he can spend more than 90 days in the Schengen area, I can't without a visa.

This not at all true. There are huge benefits to being the spouse and minor child of an EU citizen!

He has freedom of movement, he can live and work anywhere in the EU. Those rights also extend to his spouse and children, they can move with him to any EU country and have full rights to work.

This right is a fundamental pillar of the EU. All you need is an EU treaty rights visa (free and fast to get) and then you have to apply for a residency card in your new home state within 90 days.

Ylvamoon · 03/04/2023 10:22

If you can, get an EU / irish passport for all of the above, especially what @IAmInMeHoop mentioned.

I also think it's worth exploring if DC can get one- lots of potential benefits especially as young adults re work & travel.

IAmInMeHoop · 03/04/2023 10:29

Ylvamoon · 03/04/2023 10:22

If you can, get an EU / irish passport for all of the above, especially what @IAmInMeHoop mentioned.

I also think it's worth exploring if DC can get one- lots of potential benefits especially as young adults re work & travel.

The children can't get one through OP. They can move there and later naturalise but can't get one by descent as OP can.

ChristinaRussell · 03/04/2023 10:32

My DH got an Irish passport through his late grandfather. I presume it would cover me if we decided to move to live in any EU country, although IANAL. However, I think I read that if we were to make Ireland our main residence for a couple of years, I would qualify for my own Irish passport. I doubt this would apply to our children though, unless they moved with us? (They're adults, so it would be unlikely!)
The first time he used it was last summer when we were going to Italy, and the queues for both types of passports were equally as long...

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Matchingcollarandcuffs · 03/04/2023 10:34

Ooh @Tryphenia that's really useful, thank you

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Snowite · 03/04/2023 10:37

If you ever fancy living in the EU, your EU passport will be enormously beneficial to the entire family due to EU citizen spousal / family residence rights. Absolutely go for it. Lucky thing!

IAmInMeHoop · 03/04/2023 10:38

ChristinaRussell · 03/04/2023 10:32

My DH got an Irish passport through his late grandfather. I presume it would cover me if we decided to move to live in any EU country, although IANAL. However, I think I read that if we were to make Ireland our main residence for a couple of years, I would qualify for my own Irish passport. I doubt this would apply to our children though, unless they moved with us? (They're adults, so it would be unlikely!)
The first time he used it was last summer when we were going to Italy, and the queues for both types of passports were equally as long...

You'd need to live there for 5 years (including one year of continuous residence) before applying and it wouldn't affect your children at all.

ChristinaRussell · 03/04/2023 10:42

Thanks @IAmInMeHoop - I don't know where I got two years from!
The irony is, I have actual proven Irish lineage, but too far back, whereas DH's is purely accidental and he has no 'Irish blood' at all.

Ginmonkeyagain · 03/04/2023 10:44

Mr Monkey was born in England to Irish parents. He has always had Irish and British passports and was automatically an Irish citizen.

I get no benefit unless we live in the republic for a few years I think. It does mean, I think his son has a cheaper route to Irish citizenship through foreign birth registration.

IAmInMeHoop · 03/04/2023 10:46

Ginmonkeyagain · 03/04/2023 10:44

Mr Monkey was born in England to Irish parents. He has always had Irish and British passports and was automatically an Irish citizen.

I get no benefit unless we live in the republic for a few years I think. It does mean, I think his son has a cheaper route to Irish citizenship through foreign birth registration.

You do have benefits, in that you essentially retain your freedom of movement as his spouse (with some differences).

His son can do FBR, yes, which is the cheapest and easiest way.

IAmInMeHoop · 03/04/2023 10:46

ChristinaRussell · 03/04/2023 10:42

Thanks @IAmInMeHoop - I don't know where I got two years from!
The irony is, I have actual proven Irish lineage, but too far back, whereas DH's is purely accidental and he has no 'Irish blood' at all.

There are routes that are 3 years but residency alone is 5.

ChristinaRussell · 03/04/2023 10:49

You do have benefits, in that you essentially retain your freedom of movement as his spouse (with some differences)

This is interesting, @IAmInMeHoop : can you elaborate? I always presumed that DH's Irish passport was of use only to himself.

Bramshott · 03/04/2023 10:53

You should totally go for it and get the citizenship and passport you're entitled to.

You're right that it doesn't make a difference for your DH and DC unless you then use your new citizenship to move to another EU country with them in tow. Had you registered your citizenship before the children were born they would have been entitled to it too via the Foreign Births Register (which I know is no help to you, but might be to others).

IAmInMeHoop · 03/04/2023 10:56

ChristinaRussell · 03/04/2023 10:49

You do have benefits, in that you essentially retain your freedom of movement as his spouse (with some differences)

This is interesting, @IAmInMeHoop : can you elaborate? I always presumed that DH's Irish passport was of use only to himself.

EU treaty rights extend to qualifying family members. He can move to any EU state, you and the children (under 21) can move with him, and get Article 10 residence cards as "Family members of an EU citizen" which gives you full rights to work and services and everything as if you too were an EU citizen. The same card gives you visa free travel (when joining or accompanying your spouse).

As long as you stay married, you have almost the same rights as he does.

ChristinaRussell · 03/04/2023 10:57

Thank you @IAmInMeHoop

chanceofpear · 03/04/2023 11:24

OKFinally · 03/04/2023 10:13

I have an Irish passport ditto my son, my DH is stuck with a GB one.

Last year when we landed in Malaga , those of you familiar will get this..huge queue to go through the double doors, I walked up to the single door on the left and was just about to stroll through when this meathead for the want of a better word, shouted ‘scuse me love there is a queue, I brandished my Irish passport and said not for me there isn’t, smiled sweetly and swanned through…

DH was behind them in the queue, and heard his wife saying that’s F*ing Brexit for you, I told you not to vote to leave….

Enjoy your Irish passport. Grin

In the interest of balance, first through, means I have to grab the bags. 🙄😂

Small price to pay. IMO

Your husband can go through with you as the same family group. I have 3 passports (irish being 1) and my husband and kids come with me in whichever is the shortest queue.

chanceofpear · 03/04/2023 11:26

Ps if you are born on the island of ireland you pass irish citizenship to your children and grandchilden automatically. So if you have an irish born parent your children are also citizens.

SomersetBrie · 03/04/2023 11:28

chanceofpear · 03/04/2023 11:24

Your husband can go through with you as the same family group. I have 3 passports (irish being 1) and my husband and kids come with me in whichever is the shortest queue.

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Could you confirm to anywhere this info is available, please?
I am travelling soon with my Irish passport, Irish DC and my English DH and would love to be able to queue together.