Is something big going on… conspiracy theory related

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Ok hear me out….

the following things have put me a little bit on edge:

• emergency alert trial from government (yes I know it’s been spoken about for years)
• a few asteroids flying “close” and reported in press
• A few solar/planet events… eg holes in sun creating solar winds, northern lights being so far down south, weird planetary alignments
• nasa being able to defect the path of an asteroid in the last 6 months
• the constant threat of nuclear war
• chatter a few months ago about weird spy balloons and possibility of aliens?!

I can’t help but shake the feeling that some people “higher up” know something that us little folk don’t know yet and that we are being primed.

I am fully prepared to be told I’m crackers! 🤣

He’s great.
Dr Aseem Malhotra is the same - NHS cardio consultant who exposed the link between the jabs and myocarditis & pericarditis….using Pfizer’s and UK’s govt’s own data.

Is there such a thing as a light-hearted thread about conspiracy theories? 🤔

He is not interesting. 😁

He's a debunked perveyor of conspiracies, making money out of his grift.

"So the vaccine for covid19 was effective for about the same length of time as every other covid vaccine, like the flu jab!"

"Yes!"

"That's why they told us all to get subsequent jabs!"

"Yes!"

"Because they told us that, and it was entirely true!"

"Yes!"

"It's a conspiracy!"

Probably because we have heard it all before ad infinitum on MN over the past 3 years and people can't be bothered to report it any more. These threads fizzle out by themselves these days and the OP gives up.The my-eyes-have-been-opened-by-Terminator-2-clips thread is a good example.

And your point?

He's still a charlatan who deals in misinformation for financial gain.

Well, yeah. That’s my point.

John Campbell and Aseem Malhotra are not individuals who should be taken seriously. Crank and Cranker.

You are absolutely wrong. If you value truth, you would listen to other viewpoints and objectively research these matters. That means considering all sides before making a judgement. And no, just listening to one side or the other who may leave out facts or twist facts or outright lie and never questioning them doesn’t count. If you valued truth, you would have already done your research and wouldn’t have made the false statement you just did.

@MysteryBelle Are you....Right Said Fred?

Not so sure about something big coming but ( like many people ) I don't trust the government or the media one little bit anymore.

Aside from climate change, I think the biggest threat is the bloody Internet.

I swear it’s turned a huge chunk of people into seeing themselves as heroic saviours who can “see” things that others can’t.

The only guarantee is that, when the world implodes, someone’s final post will be “AIBU that a cat shat in my garden?”

I do find it ironic for people to keep on saying 'don't beleive what you read/see do your own research' then follow with some wacky thing some internet random had put on a blog or where ever

Then when questioned about their idea they can't actually come up with legitimate sources they get their info from

Isn't that the whole point of a conspiracy theory though? If there were legitimate sources, it'd just be .... fact?

Yes. The last straw has been the weird shit going on with the presenters on This Morning. Gino knows too much.

I guess I don’t have a theory as such just a feeling of not trusting those that run the planet 🤣 it’s hardly surprising after the last few years.

it doesn’t mean I’m thick/unemployed/didn’t listen during my education/stupid/mentally unwell

The fundamental problem, I think, is that the people who promote conspiracy theories are using the word 'theory' in its vernacular sense of 'some idea that someone just made up' as opposed to its scientific sense of ' a carefully thought-out explanation for observations of the natural world that has been constructed using the scientific method, and is supported by a huge amount of collected and collated evidence'.

In other words, those two uses have pretty much opposite meanings.

But because conspiracy theorists don't understand the difference, if you say "you do realise that your 'the world is run by lizards' theory is insane don't you?" they'll say "Well, what about 'the theory of evolution'? That's just a theory too - and you believe that!"

Emergency alert
As you say, it’s been going on for years
Localised and national emergency’s happen. The ability to target messaging as an alert will be beneficial. The news reports things but not everyone watches, and the news can still report when a alert is sent

Solar events etc
These happen
The northern lights being seen in the south????
This is no conspiracy. They are called the northern lights because the conditions enabling them to be seen are generally in the north of the UK.

Recent conditions enabled the natural occurrence to be seen elsewhere

NASA asteroid deflection
This was only the headline grabbing part of a long running ‘NASA defence’ programme, there wasn’t as much said over a decade ago when an ‘asteroid warning’ satellite was launched

Asteroids and general space debris hit the earth all of the time, the risk of large ones is an issue, and something could be done - such as deflecting one

Spy balloons and spy flights happen all of the time. U2 are named after the spy plane that was shot down over Russia in 1960
(See ‘Bridge of spies’ with Tom Hanks acting as exchange negotiator)
The main issue with the recent balloons was that people noticed and splashed it all over social media.
Spy flights, satellites etc are a key element of displaying the capability - every nuclear power does want other nuclear powers to see that the capability remains - it gives the ‘Mutually assured’ part

There is not a true constant threat of nuclear war. There was ‘realistic fear’ throughout the Cold War
Currently Putin uses nuclear as one of his scary words.
He came to power via aligning with mafia tactics and profiteering via bribes out of the sale of Russias communist assets and the creation of billionaire oligarchs(note that he makes pronouncements about certain oligarchs who have managed to take their money out and stop paying him, but is happy with those who continue to pay him his ‘share’)
There are the potential tactical nuclear weapons that he may go so far as using in Ukraine
(He already used nuclear material to poison Litvenenko in London)
Limited tactical nuclear weapons will be a line that if crossed will open up much more world support to Ukraine and be the end of his army
Strategic nuclear weapons are those that people typically think of. Anyone with a single weapon will respond and the initiator would only be ‘winning’ for the first moments of a launch

Avoid the headlines, and avoid the social media scarey stories

If you can read them for what they are then that’s fine, but if they have an effect on tin then the hype is worse for your health

Yes. Really it should be 'conspiracy hypothesis' and never 'theory'.

What sets me on edge, OP, if it's anything at all, is how readily many people swallow so many disjointed and distorted bits of 'information' and then join it all up in an effort to 'prove' that we are all being 'controlled' and there's some nefarious agenda going on. There are precious few places you can go now online where there aren't at least a couple of folk spewing this sort of stuff out. It's very stressful. I find I just have to switch off from it, I can't control what others choose to believe, but it is frustrating and sometimes alarming at the morass of craziness that seems to be increasing every day.

I have seen several people sucked into mad theories, people I'd have thought would have known better. It's like a virus of the mind. Then people who've been 'infected' with these ideas find each other and pat each other on the back 'yes, I think so too! We must be right because we have come to the same conclusion based on our 'research'!' Others try to patiently explain to them using logical reasoning, but no, they're not having it. Examples of this in this thread!

"Yes. Really it should be 'conspiracy hypothesis' and never 'theory'."

It´s not a hypothesis either, because those who come up with these "conspiracy theories" are not prepared to test them.

I have seen several people sucked into mad theories, people I'd have thought would have known better. It's like a virus of the mind. Then people who've been 'infected' with these ideas find each other and pat each other on the back 'yes, I think so too! We must be right because we have come to the same conclusion based on our 'research'!' Others try to patiently explain to them using logical reasoning, but no, they're not having it. Examples of this in this thread!

It's a cult, and they use cult debating tactics to subvert social media discussions. You can watch it happen in threads here. The methods are quite well known, and are used by the likes of Scientologists. You can look these techniques up online and once you know what to look for you can quickly spot who's playing which role in the script.

When people talk of conspiracy theories involving governments I always think of two people being alone in a room with no cameras and no mobile phones and the entire world knows what happened.
Clinton and Lewinsky.
People can't keep quiet.

Apropos of nothing

Funnily enough, I feel like I've got my first real window into how some of this stuff takes hold on this thread. A page back, I got into a thing with another poster where I tried to point out that they were muddling facts about different things together and essentially making 2+5+25 and they were not remotely interested in the idea that the evidence didn't support the conspiracy.

They posted this

Washington wants people shot for not believing in the Biden Administration conspiracy theory that their male health minister is a woman and that children should be sterilised and made permanently pre pubessant.

When I pointed out that using Fox News clickbait, they were conflating different things: an Arizona governor's spokesperson's (deleted) tweet, which had nothing whatsoever to do with Washington, Biden, or Rachel Levine (Biden's assistant health secretary), they accused me of being skilled at language, arguments and spinning a story. It was eye-opening for me.