The news about NOx

[WashAsDelicates]

What does the ban on NOx mean for cream whippers? I've just recently asked for one for my birthday. And what about all the commercial users of cream whippers?

Any thoughts?

I just had this conversation with my husband who thought I was a bit ridiculous for even asking, but how will they ban the canisters without banning whipped cream and weird Michelin starred creations like whipped seaweed and oyster frou frou stuff?

I thought commercial ones used something else?

Also where do people who have turbo charged Suzuki Hayabusa’s who require a little extra power stand?

I have no idea what you're talking about

Likewise!

Nitrous is a modification for high performance engines to gain more power.

If you've ever watched any of the Fast and Furious movies, when they press the special button in the car to make it faster that button release NOx into something which causes the boost.

It's a motorbike

This is what I've found: www.gov.uk/government/publications/anti-social-behaviour-action-plan/anti-social-behaviour-action-plan

It's not an immediate ban, and the government recognises that NOx has legitimate uses. So somehow they intend to allow it for legitimate use but not for illegitimate use. How is that different from the current situation, other than criminalising users?

I'm genuinely not convinced about the social troubles NOx is said to cause. Rather than policing it, why not prioritise research into protecting HCPs where it is used?

It seems pretty pointless really. We don't need more laws, just better enforcement of the existing ones.

As an aside, nitric oxide (NO) is the stuff people use for cooking and inhaling. Nitrogen dioxide (NO2) is the stuff used in cars to boost combustion.

Maybe it will depend on the situation. After all, you can still buy knives and use them in your kitchen but if you start waving one around in a shopping centre you'll soon find yourself in trouble and would likely face a prison sentence.

So could enforcement in a similar way work? Age restrictions and retailers have to assess the likelihood of inappropriate use like they do with alcohol.

Limitations on quantities, like painkiller? I don't know how many cartridges are needed to whip cream but apparently people who use them as a drug get through loads? So you can only buy a couple at a time as a member of the public and restaurants etc have to buy via a trade supplier and also monitor use to deter their kitchen staff from misusing them or selling them on?

AFAIK this law will mean that NOs will no longer be able to be bought or sold in any shop or online retailer which should end the supply to teens and those abusing it however it will still be available to commercial catering companies through specific catering wholesalers who will be licensed to sell it but only to actual restaurants and catering businesses.

The general public will have no access to it and will either have to go back to self whipping with a wisk or buy the cans of single use whippy cream that has a built in propellant.
This is how the law has been explained to those of us in the catering sector I hope this helps explain how it's supposed to work (not saying that it's how it will work)

A question from the hopelessly naive.

The other day I saw a large can of whipped cream dumped on a grass verge somewhere, can't remember where. Is it likely this was the remnant someone getting high rather than just slightly odd littering?

Nitric oxide is something else entirely. Nitrous oxide -NOx, Entonox, gas-and-air - is the gas used for light anaesthesia, cream whipping and, apparently, for boosting some vehicles. And for abuse: laughing gas.

I agree with this: It seems pretty pointless really. We don't need more laws, just better enforcement of the existing ones. This change is creating more criminality. It won't stop adolescents using the stuff, any more than criminalising hard drugs or more immediately dangerous drugs does.

Probably. When you dispense the cream you have to shake the canister and invert it. If you just squeeze the button with the canister upright, you get just propellant but no cream.

Dead cat story.
The proposal will be quietly dropped in a few weeks once the May elections have passed.

Nitric oxide is something else entirely. Nitrous oxide -NOx, Entonox, gas-and-air - is the gas used for light anaesthesia, cream whipping and, apparently, for boosting some vehicles. And for abuse: laughing gas.

Your use of NOx isn't correct and may be confusing some people.

The proposed ban is indeed on nitrous oxide - that is N2O. Not on NO/NO2 which are the NOx category (mainly known as pollutant by products of combustion).

I've seen people advertising to drop canisters round if you're making a last minute birthday cake wink wink nudge nudge

I guess you'll have to go into an actual shop to buy it and explain what you're using it for.

I assume it will work like the legislation does around knives. If you buy a couple of canisters and are taking it home to use in your machine then the police will let you go on your way. if they find you down the park with a bag full of the things then you have no legitimate reason for having them and will have them confiscated.

YY, it's likely to be another string that the bottom end of the takeaway market can add to it's bow. Already known to include those in the business as a front for drug dealing and money laundering, will now be offering 'extra cream' to go with the slices of chocolate fudge cake on the menu alongside kebabs and fried chicken.

And of course, as they're food catering businesses, will have no trouble obtaining from wholesalers. So will it be up to the wholesalers to report businesses who, along with a few bags of frozen chips and chicken pieces, buy a couple of chocolate fudge cakes and 200 cans of whipped cream a week?

for whipped cream, the chemical formula of the gas used is irrelevant from a culinary perspective, it just needs to be something that expands appropriately, isn't explosive, poisonous or liable to impart an unwanted flavour to the food. the only reason Nitrous Oxide has been used is that it's cheap to produce and ticks all the boxes. it will be a few years before anyone gets through the development process but at some point a different gas will become available which is compatible with cream-whipping devices.

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Also where do people who have turbo charged Suzuki Hayabusa’s who require a little extra power stand?

I would love a Hayabusa but I think it would scare the living daylights out of me!😁
(Misses point of thread)

I'm also hoping there will be an option to buy legitimately as I also have a whippy cream jug thing. I wonder how many I can stockpile? And will a stock in the pantry become illegal?