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I can't believe the French have been retiring at 62 thus far.

98 replies

PupInAPram · 18/03/2023 14:51

Seriously, the 64 years Macron wants to put the retirement age up to would be like a dream to me! Wonder how much their pension is?

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Tekkentime · 23/03/2023 08:39

The UK media is full of people putting down the UK and its citizens, so i'm not surprised that people have little confidence to rebel.

You have to feel ties to other people and the country, instead of feeling weakened and that everyone else hates you.

soffa · 23/03/2023 08:44

very few countries in Europe have the same level of inequality that we have. That's one of the big issues, also the ageing population tikebonb.

soffa · 23/03/2023 08:44

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soffa · 23/03/2023 08:45

I think the real question is, why do people in the UK put up with things being so awful here and not protest like the French do.

different culture

DogInATent · 23/03/2023 08:46

TriangleSquareCircle · 23/03/2023 07:52

I think the real question is, why do people in the UK put up with things being so awful here and not protest like the French do.

Because popular politics in the UK is constantly telling us how much better we are than everyone else.

Anyone that dares to point out that something/everything is better somewhere else gets shouted at for talking Britain down, or being unpatriotic, and gets labelled public enemy number 1 by the Daily Heil.

soffa · 23/03/2023 08:46

The French don't all retire at 62, certainly not on a full pension

also true

Justmeandthedog1 · 23/03/2023 08:47

In France people matter ( vive la revolution)
Higher taxes and social charges but higher pensions, younger retirement age and prompt healthcare. You won’t wait years for a gynae operation in France — I’ve been told I’m on a 6 year waiting list here.

Oblahdeeoblahdoe · 23/03/2023 08:47

FitAt50 · 18/03/2023 17:06

Much higher takes in France. A person in the UK on £45k would pay £10k in tax, in France it would be £18k.

Have you included national insurance in your calculation?

soffa · 23/03/2023 08:47

My Dad retired on a full pension from the UK civil service at 60 in 2009. That used to be one of the public sector perks.

aren't public sector pensions now in line with state age?

Middletoleft · 23/03/2023 08:50

Was thinking much the same.

Wonder if it's too late to learn French 🤔

soffa · 23/03/2023 08:50

I believe the tax system is fairer over there too

Blossomtoes · 23/03/2023 08:53

soffa · 23/03/2023 08:47

My Dad retired on a full pension from the UK civil service at 60 in 2009. That used to be one of the public sector perks.

aren't public sector pensions now in line with state age?

Some aren’t. Armed forces pensions can be paid in part from age 40 after 20 years’ service. Full pension kicks in at 60.

notimagain · 23/03/2023 09:01

Oblahdeeoblahdoe · 23/03/2023 08:47

Have you included national insurance in your calculation?

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This is way it's hard to do a meaningful comparison.

Yes the UK has N plus tax but for France there's "Social Charges, which can be a pretty decent/eye watering deduction to your French Income, plus possibly any contributions to a relevant Caisse...

notimagain · 23/03/2023 09:03

This is why...not way

Rowthe · 23/03/2023 09:04

FitAt50 · 18/03/2023 17:06

Much higher takes in France. A person in the UK on £45k would pay £10k in tax, in France it would be £18k.

I would ne happy to pay more in tax if it meant things actually worked.

Rowthe · 23/03/2023 09:04

Would be

LINABE · 23/03/2023 09:06

TriangleSquareCircle · 23/03/2023 07:52

I think the real question is, why do people in the UK put up with things being so awful here and not protest like the French do.

👏👏👏👏

LINABE · 23/03/2023 09:10

Tekkentime · 23/03/2023 08:39

The UK media is full of people putting down the UK and its citizens, so i'm not surprised that people have little confidence to rebel.

You have to feel ties to other people and the country, instead of feeling weakened and that everyone else hates you.

This.

lieselotte · 23/03/2023 09:13

I have relatives (all civil servants and teachers, both male and female) who retired at 60 too. It's not that long ago that the age changed here.

Fleurysur · 23/03/2023 09:13

thewooster · 23/03/2023 07:41

I watched the chaos this morning on the news and wonder what the outcome will be. Do you think he will cave in and raise taxes to keep the retirement age at 62 or plough on with the age of 64?

It has to be paid for somehow and I'm glad I'm not in charge. All those angry residents, the rubbish piled high.

They are so much militant than us Brits, aren't they!

Yeah they resist more than us, good on them.

Chewbecca · 23/03/2023 09:16

ArcticSkewer · 23/03/2023 08:34

It's 35 years of contributions for a full pension.

A lot of students work part time these days as well which gets them either full or part contributions for that year (which they could top up to make a qualifying year)

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35 years in the UK is for people starting work after 2016.
Before than each of us has a personalised calculation of years needed and many of us require more than 35 years for a full new state pension. It's misleading to quote 35 years to anyone other than those in their 20s.

Deathraystare · 23/03/2023 09:26

@ArcticSkewer

Yes although I got mad by striking for this and that I do wish we had some of France's bolshiness!!' I no longer watch the news as it isn't good for my blood pressure but everytime I used to listen to what the government is doing I used to think that rhe French would not put up with that!!!

We are too polite! What would make us 'storm the barricades? What more do the idiots in power nèed to do??

notimagain · 23/03/2023 09:30

If it helps...

https://boundlesshq.com/guides/france/taxes/

There are various Social Charges, contributions, all very much in addition to "income tax".

The average French payslip, even for quite basic jobs, ends looking like a slightly abridged version of War and Peace.

Employment Taxes in France | Boundless EOR

A guide to employer and employee tax contributions as well as tax free allowance in France

https://boundlesshq.com/guides/france/taxes

BarmyArmy22 · 23/03/2023 09:31

Just checked mine (UK) Another 9years of contributions required through work to be eligible for the full state pension but another 20years until I can claim it😞They really want to work us into the ground don't they!

Solidarity France, you've got the right idea! We pay plenty of taxes here but schools are stretched to breaking point, NHS on its knees, roads are a wreck yet they pour £££ into HS2 wrecking the countryside and now they don't even think they will complete the route and Tory peers & friends made a killing through Covid contracts! Aren't the Government meant to work FOR the people of the country?

Blossomtoes · 23/03/2023 09:36

They really want to work us into the ground don't they!

They do. I had 46 years’ contributions when I got my state pension. The changes in state pension age were heinously unfair to those who started work at 16. Some people will potentially have 50 years of contributions.

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