30 hours for 1.5 year olds and over expected tomorroe

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As per the attached! This would help people so much

You have to stay in ratio of qualified staff to ones who are yet to gain qualifications you can't just take on loads of unqualified

We are not a society that can afford one parent to stay at home anymore. We haven't been for some time. This is very, very welcome news.

This is what I said further up, the cost of living makes bringing up children unaffordable now. Just by throwing a few pennies at the problem won't make it go away. It is the cost of EVERYTHING that is the problem, the main one being housing costs. Solve that and lower wage roles WOULD be doable.

So as expected won't be fully in place until 2025 so won't help any of us currently with young children but big step forward for those pregnant or planning children in the future

@CurlyhairedAssassin but the cost of housing isn't going to go down. It isn't subsidisable, apart from social housing which should be for the poorest in society.

Whilst people want several properties to bring in huge second incomes, and landlords carry on being greedy, with no cap on how much over a mortgage tenants can pay, and people want second homes, the government can't do much about housing.

I am a staunch anti Tory. I have never voted Tory nor would I. But. Out of the shit show that is / has been this government, there's a small Ray of light for people like me, who work hard and spend hugely on childcare. I'm not facing away from it - I won't see it as anything other than a good thing!!

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It's so far off that it won't help anyone with a toddler already?

Happy for those who benefit, gutted it didn't come in sooner.

Yeah we won't benefit but we have friends and family who will - and it's going to be great for them.

I think it's a fantastic incentive and they seem to have actually thought sensibly about how to make it work.

So it's a system that isn't funded enough that will only come into play after the election they will likely lose.

@GoodChat our youngest is due his 30 hours in September so don't think we will see a benefit, would have been amazing if we had it from the start, it's been a hard slog working till time and affording childcare but there is light at the end of the tunnel and like you say hopefully will be amazing for all the families who want to return to work but were unlikely to be able to!

Have they?

How far will an investment of 280 million for childcare providers go? How much will the local authorities take for ‘administering’ the scheme?

I heard him say that the rate of 2 year old funding was increasing. He didn’t mention 3 and 4 year old funding. I doubt whether funding rates will increase by more than 30p an hour in real terms.

It won’t be possible to deliver.

On recent threads posters were talking about decline in population at young age. So even with more in nursery it might even put a bit.

Depending on what rules they pin to the funded hours, such as not being able to charge too ups, I don’t think I will be carrying on in this sector. There’s just no incentive, I’m already struggling to keep a roof over my children’s heads. Funding is already difficult, creates extra work and I’m paid far less than my hourly rate. Unless they start to allow top ups there just no point in me carrying on. I would earn more cleaning or stacking shelves in a supermarket and wouldn’t have all the responsibility I have now.

@User8646382 he said funded childcare is increasing by 30%

What's most annoying about the delay to bringing it in is the reason he gave: "to ensure there is capacity in the system".

How will capacity be increased? Is this just the change to ratios (which I think sounded like it was a more immediate change?).

And even if capacity will be increased, that isn't actually a reason to not bring it in for current children sooner. There already is capacity for the children already in nursery.

I suspect the reason is actually closer to what PP said - it won't be funded properly and will come in after the next election, which they'll lose. So won't be their mess to clear up.

He said funded childcare for 2 year olds was increasing by 30%.

@User8646382 from the government website The funding paid to nurseries for the existing free hours offers will also be increased by £204 million from this September rising to £288 million next year.

Here's the link if you want it www.gov.uk/government/news/chancellor-unveils-a-budget-for-growth

This is wonderful but I wish it was coming in quicker.

I'll have a third now though ❤️

Thank you for this. It doesn’t say what the percentage rise is, but he mentioned the 30% increase for 2 year funding in his speech. It’s deceptive really, because 2 year olds don’t receive deprivation funding, which evens out the difference to some extent.

280 million, of which the LAs will keep 50 million plus, won’t help the sector at all.

@User8646382 yeah they really need to kick the LA's in to touch. It's preposterous that they do that!

oh @roarfeckingroarr you can't say that here - I was slated for saying that a reduction in the £1k a month childcare fees we currently pay would sway me to have another child - apparently that's not what it's for (my taxes for working FT and the 60k I've already paid towards my children's FT childcare don't count though do they)

If they cut the LAs out and paid the providers directly, it would resolve the childcare crisis. Too much like common sense of course.

So this isn’t going to come in until 2024/5 is it? So I will miss out having a 5 month old?

It needs to be funded NOW

You'll get the 15 hours from next April (depending on when your child was born)

And then you'll get the full 30 slightly earlier than you would have done I think

There was no way in a million years it was going to be implemented from next month and the start of the next financial year

@justpoppingtotheshops it should be backdated or something, makes me
mad to miss out when we just can’t afford it! We missed out on the stamp duty reduction by 2 days last year which cost us 4K.

15 hours from next April isn’t good enough as it means August to April we have to find full time fees. Then still a large payment until the 30 hours kicks in. When a baby born a year later will have 30 hours funded from 9 months?

Not fair and not good enough