Page 11 | Huge increase in large groups of teenagers terrorising the public

Shopaholic100 · 2023-02-26T01:08:59+00:00

Has anyone else noticed a huge increase in large groups of teenagers terrorising the public? I was in York today and there were huge groups of teenage boys causing havoc, screaming, swearing, shouting and pulling peoples hats off and throwing them on the floor as they walked past. At the same time another huge group of girls were also screaming and kicking full cans of fizzy drinks around so it was squirting everywhere. Milton Keynes a few weeks ago was the same with large groups running round John Lewis causing havoc whilst security were trying to get them to leave. In another part of the shopping centre another group were causing trouble too. I’ve seen the same in London too. I used to see small groups sometimes do silly things, but the size of the groups is much larger and threatening and they seem fearless. Anyone else noticed this?

Florenz · 27/02/2023 18:08

Human rights need to go away. Nothing good has come of the "human rights act".

MichelleScarn · 27/02/2023 18:17

ALongHardWinter · 27/02/2023 18:00

Yes, definitely. Barely a week goes by without some incident kicking off in the local shopping mall or high street,always involving gangs of teenagers. I think the increase is due to the fact that children and teenagers are 'untouchable' nowadays. If a member of the public dates to try to intervene,they will always come off worse. I've seen teenage girls screaming in the faces of security 'Get your fucking hands off me,you just assaulted me', because the security guard had put their hand on the girl's shoulder!

Absolutely agree, and there's always those who use the 'nothing to do' excuse as to why these groups indulge in these behaviours as if they have no agency in what they do.
Why does no 'youth clubs' apparently then equal a need for violence, destruction, aggression and criminal behaviour? Do you think the people engaging in all this activity would actually want to engage in organised activities when they can do the above, get away with it, and actually have people advocating THEY are the victims?!

TimandGinger · 27/02/2023 18:53

Florenz · 27/02/2023 18:08

Human rights need to go away. Nothing good has come of the "human rights act".

My nephew said whenever the teachers try to make the badly behaved kids in his class actually learn something, they say that's against my human rights and you can't do anything. My nephew just thinks they're idiots, but it's a shame he has to put up with that time wasting crap at school.

LocationLocationLocomotion · 27/02/2023 19:11

Woodchiponthewall · 26/02/2023 08:55

I was reading the protest thread yesterday and felt exactly the same as a teacher. Absolutely aghast at the cheerleading from parents about the students right to protest. So many parents seem to unwittingly enable terrible behaviour by having no boundaries at home. When they come up against very reasonable boundaries at school (you can’t wander to the toilet whenever you want for a skive/you need to follow a uniform policy) they think a fundamental right has been taken away.

I had the exact same thought

LocationLocationLocomotion · 27/02/2023 19:16

calimali · 26/02/2023 09:18

I'm waiting for someone to come on with the 'because covid generation' excuse.

I grew up in the 80s in a village. We were bored much of the time. We had no youth club and no money to get the bus into town most weekend. We did not riot or make other people's lives a misery. We went for walks and met up in each others houses. We didn't indulge in criminal behaviour because we were good kids who were well brought up and knew our parents would not tolerate it. I also benefited from the input of supportive grandparents.

I have seen so many posts on MN lately complaining at how hard done by their kids are. The college is threatening to kick them out because they have not attended lectures, my kids school expects them to wear the correct uniform - how bloody unreasonable. No wonder kids have no respect for rules, or even the basics of acceptable social behaviour, when their parents make it their mission to kick back every time their child is expected to face the consequences for their poor choices and, at times, criminal behaviour.

I am so gald to be out of teaching. It must have been terrifying to have been caught up in those 'protests' last week.

This. People have lost the plot when it comes to parenting. I agree with not hitting kids or being cruel to them but I think some people forget who is the adult is or raise their kids to be entitled because of their ‘rights’ with no regard for society.

coffeetofunction · 27/02/2023 19:31

Babyleafy · 26/02/2023 08:39

There wad a complete loss of control in 4 locL secondaries here one day this week. It started as a protest against toilets being locked and resulted in parents being called to collect frightened teens a d police involvement. I know these things are often exaggerated but the reports in the local press sound quite wild. I guess probably the day Pupinapram is talking about.

We maybe in the same area. My DD school emailed Sunday night to try and discourage more children at the other side of the city following suit

justasking111 · 28/02/2023 15:35

Some parents really are as thick as mince sigh....

Florenz · 28/02/2023 17:53

I think we need a one child policy like they had in China, then there could be a points system to allow selected people to have more than one.

BrigitteBond · 28/02/2023 18:07

Florenz · 28/02/2023 17:53

I think we need a one child policy like they had in China, then there could be a points system to allow selected people to have more than one.

You've really not thought that through have you?

Florenz · 28/02/2023 18:14

BrigitteBond · 28/02/2023 18:07

You've really not thought that through have you?

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It's a perfectly feasible and practical idea. Everyone would have the right to have 1 child, then those that meet certain criteria would gain the right to have a second child, and so on and so on with the criteria getting more and more stringent for each additional child.

BrigitteBond · 28/02/2023 18:17

Florenz · 28/02/2023 18:14

It's a perfectly feasible and practical idea. Everyone would have the right to have 1 child, then those that meet certain criteria would gain the right to have a second child, and so on and so on with the criteria getting more and more stringent for each additional child.

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So is it enforced termination, enforced sterilisation after one child or removal of unlicensed babies that you're suggesting?

And if you cut the birth-rate then where's the workforce going to come from to pay your pension and wipe your arse in your old age?

LexMitior · 28/02/2023 18:47

Aside from the mad suggestions, what is really really sad is that the only people who really lose are the kids.

Ultimately all those people who have kids who behave better and are at controlled schools will have children who will be doing better. And those kids will become the adults that set the rules. Social mobility is a mindset.

Florenz · 28/02/2023 19:19

"So is it enforced termination, enforced sterilisation after one child or removal of unlicensed babies that you're suggesting?"
All 3.
"And if you cut the birth-rate then where's the workforce going to come from to pay your pension and wipe your arse in your old age?"
Not nearly as many workers will be needed in the future with mass automation, robots and AI.

BrigitteBond · 28/02/2023 19:23

Florenz · 28/02/2023 19:19

"So is it enforced termination, enforced sterilisation after one child or removal of unlicensed babies that you're suggesting?"
All 3.
"And if you cut the birth-rate then where's the workforce going to come from to pay your pension and wipe your arse in your old age?"
Not nearly as many workers will be needed in the future with mass automation, robots and AI.

Ok dear. Brilliant idea.

I'll look forward to seeing your crackpot ideas put into place by a future fascist government.

Florenz · 28/02/2023 19:40

It would be a lot better than having gangs of teens terrorising the public. When those teens have children themselves, what are they going to be like? And their childrens children? Things will just keep getting worse until action is taken.

BrigitteBond · 28/02/2023 19:43

Florenz · 28/02/2023 19:40

It would be a lot better than having gangs of teens terrorising the public. When those teens have children themselves, what are they going to be like? And their childrens children? Things will just keep getting worse until action is taken.

OK dear. You crack on with it then.

cakeorwine · 28/02/2023 21:12

Florenz · 28/02/2023 19:19

"So is it enforced termination, enforced sterilisation after one child or removal of unlicensed babies that you're suggesting?"
All 3.
"And if you cut the birth-rate then where's the workforce going to come from to pay your pension and wipe your arse in your old age?"
Not nearly as many workers will be needed in the future with mass automation, robots and AI.

Maybe only nice, middle class families (married of course) should be allowed to have children?

Florenz · 28/02/2023 21:23

cakeorwine · 28/02/2023 21:12

Maybe only nice, middle class families (married of course) should be allowed to have children?

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Everyone should be allowed to have one child. But data and statistics should decide who is allowed to have multiple children. To make things better for everyone's children.

cakeorwine · 28/02/2023 21:24

Florenz · 28/02/2023 21:23

Everyone should be allowed to have one child. But data and statistics should decide who is allowed to have multiple children. To make things better for everyone's children.

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You're excelling yourself at the moment.

Why not go the whole hog and use genetics, so you can keep the children who are genetically suitable?

Eastie77Returns · 01/03/2023 17:24

Wasn’t it ever thus? If Mumsnet was around in the 1950s, 60s, 70s etc there would be threads about violence and out of control teenagers: Teddy Boys, Mods, Rockers, Punks, skinheads, football hooligans.

50 odd from now, todays teenagers will be complaining about the youth of the 2070s and looking back through rose tinted glasses to the 2020s when they endured a pandemic and COL crisis, young people back were so much more respectful and resilient…

Pretty much the same way many people on this thread are claiming young people were so much better behaved when they were young.

Every middle aged person thinks the teenagers of their current generation are the worst ever.

The reality is most kids are well behaved and some are not. There isn’t an entire ‘generation’ of badly behaved teens.

Florenz · 01/03/2023 17:43

Things just keep getting worst, we need to nip things in the bud so that people in the future do not have to live in fear of gangs of unruly teens.

Tots678 · 10/06/2023 22:25

I think cctv cameras are a part of the problem - in the old days someone bigger and scrotier could give them a kicking - can’t now you’d get had up for gbh -all recorded

Tots678 · 10/06/2023 22:28

Wasn’t it ever thus? No because they aren’t just duffing each other up they are also terrorising the public and going further so they can film it on phones.

Florenz · 11/06/2023 00:26

Crime is a major problem in the UK at the moment, and it's not going to get any better anytime soon. What can the police do? Even if there were a lot more bobbies on the beat, as soon as they do anything the criminals say "human rights" act and there's a horde of lawyers coming out of the woodwork making every excuse in the book, and being paid handsomely from the public purse for doing so. It's all wrong.

GarlicGrace · 11/06/2023 00:42

Praying4Memory · 26/02/2023 08:43

Blame the Tory party. They got rid of all the places for kids to hang out and the cost of living crisis means their parents can't afford to keep them entertained.

They have no where else to go and nothing else to do so roam around making trouble as at least that is vaguely entertaining for a while.

This.

I'm not given to blaming anti-social behaviour on the government of the day (except when it's by members of that government) but I've been feeling more & more sorry for teenagers with each passing year. There is nothing for them to do or join in with, except perhaps some limp effort by a church group. They're even locked out of parks in the evenings now - if they can't go and drink cider with their pals, that's almost their last resort gone!

Teenagers are supposed to misbehave, it's part of their individuation & boundary-testing phase. They need spaces to do that.