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Id cards.

76 replies

thimblewomble879 · 23/02/2023 07:01

I have to say. I'm in favour of them. I know there are worries about big brother and id. But

I worked jn retail banking for years. I saw first hand the issues people had everyday with valid id. I regulatory told people to apply for a passport (even if they didn't travel) as it was "fairly good value"for a ten year id.

I have also lived in several European countries and id cards where standard and no one raised an eyebrow.

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IfIGoThereWillBeTrouble · 23/02/2023 08:11

I would be happy to have one. I carry my photo card driving licence and my passport card in my purse all the time.

MillicentTrilbyHiggins · 23/02/2023 08:13

I'd happily carry one, if they were free/very low cost.

Buttalapasta · 23/02/2023 08:44

I think they're a good idea. I have one (in Italy) and it's very useful. Tbh I think we're trackable in so many ways these days that the privacy arguments against them are moot.

Bard6817 · 23/02/2023 08:45

Personally I believe the benefits currently outweigh the cons.

So driving license is used by me as defacto ID.

I deal in cyber - in various environments - and if we all had one standard form of I’d, some of the fraud, criminality I see, wouldn’t happen.

But we are progressing towards a more of a state where feelings are more important than facts, that the far left ideology is becoming prevalent, where anything middle or right wing is seen as extreme, or a phobia, and in that vein, as a middle aged person who doesn’t believe that we have sections of society who are actually subjugated, or that women actually do need safe spaces, (maybe a safe society would be good too) im regularly told by my very well educated teen that I have immoral values and need reeducation. And in that vein, I worry that the cons for ID cards will be used against anyone who doesn’t believe the latest narrative or missteps.

So today I’m a fan - but I worry about a totalitarian future with them.

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thimblewomble879 · 23/02/2023 10:38

The amount of women (all ages) and young people who struggled to open accounts was ridiculous. It seemed (to me anyway) that it was women and young peoples as bills where not in there name, don't drive, don't go abroad. Now it's at least ten years since I did that job but I can't imagine things have changed that much.

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Prokupatuscrakedatus · 23/02/2023 10:47

In Germany we have to carry ID (foto, registered adress, option for valid online signatures etc) from the age of 16 all the time.
To keep on using those form of ID was strongly supported by the British occupational government.😀

KnickerlessParsons · 23/02/2023 10:50

thimblewomble879 · 23/02/2023 10:38

The amount of women (all ages) and young people who struggled to open accounts was ridiculous. It seemed (to me anyway) that it was women and young peoples as bills where not in there name, don't drive, don't go abroad. Now it's at least ten years since I did that job but I can't imagine things have changed that much.

We had a young leader in Brownies who needed to be DBS'd because she turned 18. It was really difficult: she didn't have a British birth cert because she was born in Germany, didn't have a passport or driving licence, didn't have any bills in her name because she lived with her parents..... Until we got permission to use a letter from the school to confirm her ID for the DBS people, it really compromised what she could do in Guiding.

There must be loads of people, not just young, in this situation.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 23/02/2023 10:58

I opposed ID cards when they were first suggested for several reasons, not least that ALL your private information would be in one place and accessible to any govt organisation - I had no wish for the Forestry Commission (to use one example) to know my tax affairs. The idea of Blair's (and what a surprise that he's behind this, there must be money in it somewhere) was that life would be impossible without them. I prefer my information to be siloed - that way only the people who need to see e.g my medical history can see my medical history. Anyone else has to make a damned good case why they need that data.

The history of the last few years shows us that when you give authority to people they will abuse it - who's going to have the right to stop me in the street and demand I prove my identity? who's going to have access to this data? what are the safeguards? how are they going to run a database that needs to work 24/7? what if people don't want all their data on their phones?

And before anyone says 'nothing to hide, nothing to fear' - who gets to define 'nothing'?

Rummikub · 23/02/2023 11:05

I oppose them too if they’re mandatory.
I already have a drivers licence and passport.

Dont see why we need another. I’m suspicious of its purpose. I didn’t vote labour when John Prescott was proposing it.

bongsuhan · 23/02/2023 11:10

Prokupatuscrakedatus · 23/02/2023 10:47

In Germany we have to carry ID (foto, registered adress, option for valid online signatures etc) from the age of 16 all the time.
To keep on using those form of ID was strongly supported by the British occupational government.😀

(you just need to have an ID card, you don't need to carry it with you)

NetballHoop · 23/02/2023 11:14

I'm a dual national and have an ID card for my non UK nationality. I don't have any problem with carrying it with me when I'm over there.

However, it's worth bearing in mind that:

  1. They will wind up being compulsory to carry at all times despite what anyone says.
  2. They will be MUCH more expensive than equivalents in other European countries (just like UK passports are).
EmmaEmerald · 23/02/2023 11:15

I posted a link about the digital ID consultations in Petitions, not allowed to post elsewhere. It needs a lot more consultation before it comes in.

I can see the convenience but also the problems.

EmmaEmerald · 23/02/2023 11:16

Bard you don't believe women need safe spaces?

Brefugee · 23/02/2023 11:21

I opposed ID cards when they were first suggested for several reasons, not least that ALL your private information would be in one place and accessible to any govt organisation - I had no wish for the Forestry Commission (to use one example) to know my tax affairs.

another German here. The German forestry commision knows zip about my tax affairs. What a bizarre assertion.

EmmaEmerald · 23/02/2023 11:22

Brefugee · 23/02/2023 11:21

I opposed ID cards when they were first suggested for several reasons, not least that ALL your private information would be in one place and accessible to any govt organisation - I had no wish for the Forestry Commission (to use one example) to know my tax affairs.

another German here. The German forestry commision knows zip about my tax affairs. What a bizarre assertion.

If you look at the UK consultation, that's the plan though - hence we need more consultation.

HappyMaltesers · 23/02/2023 11:25

A physical card, similar to a driving licence but available to everyone at low cost and with no compulsion to actually carry it on you. Fine.
I could keep something like that safe in my box of important stuff and only take it out if I actually need it for something.

Digital version stored on phone. No thanks.
The rate at which people lose/damage/replace phones, or simply don't have either a smartphone or the ability to use one, makes this a really poor option and that's before concerns about ALL information stored in one place etc.

SerendipityJane · 23/02/2023 11:31

Deja vu.

No problem with the idea of an ID card.

But you can fuck right of with that massive database they wanted to connect it to where everyone could see everything on you on one screen.

EmmaEmerald · 23/02/2023 11:33

Pretty please - see my post in Petitions!

Brefugee · 23/02/2023 11:33

If you look at the UK consultation, that's the plan though - hence we need more consultation.

the UK is bonkers. Glad i left.

Saltywalruss · 23/02/2023 11:36

Prokupatuscrakedatus · 23/02/2023 10:47

In Germany we have to carry ID (foto, registered adress, option for valid online signatures etc) from the age of 16 all the time.
To keep on using those form of ID was strongly supported by the British occupational government.😀

I think that's what people don't want and are concerned about .
A card with your photo and name on it so that you can prove your identity (and age) would be useful in banks, on buses, when voting etc . People who have a driving licence already have this anyway.

SerendipityJane · 23/02/2023 11:41

If you look at the UK consultation, that's the plan though - hence we need more consultation.

Aw, bless. When has a government consultation ever done anything other than pat you on the head and say "Thanks for that. Now we'll do what we were going to do anyway" ?

I'm guessing this will be another case where we have to thank $deity that we have a House of Lords - god-botherers or not - to try and protect the people that didn't elect them.

DisplayPurposesOnly · 23/02/2023 11:52

I regulatory told people to apply for a passport (even if they didn't travel) as it was "fairly good value"for a ten year id.

A citizen card is only £15:
www.citizencard.com/

tommika · 23/02/2023 12:33

@MrsDanversGlidesAgain
@Brefugee
@EmmaEmerald

The consultation isn’t about sharing all information such as tax affairs

It will remain that different departments hold relevant information for that department and that information shared will be the ‘minimum number of data items, known as attributes, necessary for verifying the identity of an individual’

The sharing of relevant parts of the data held

www.gov.uk/government/consultations/draft-legislation-to-help-more-people-prove-their-identity-online/consultation-on-draft-legislation-to-support-identity-verification

What data will be processed?
Public authorities will process the minimum number of data items, known as attributes, necessary for verifying the identity of an individual. Examples of attributes include:
^^
user’s full name;
date of birth;
home address;
email address;
photographic images;
various identifiers such as passport number or driving licence number;
attributes held by government departments necessary for verifying the identity of an individual;
the outcome of identity checks previously performed on a user; and
transactional data, for example, income

Rummikub · 23/02/2023 12:36

What’s its purpose?
who gains?

EmmaEmerald · 23/02/2023 12:36

SerendipityJane · 23/02/2023 11:41

If you look at the UK consultation, that's the plan though - hence we need more consultation.

Aw, bless. When has a government consultation ever done anything other than pat you on the head and say "Thanks for that. Now we'll do what we were going to do anyway" ?

I'm guessing this will be another case where we have to thank $deity that we have a House of Lords - god-botherers or not - to try and protect the people that didn't elect them.

Yes
but as I often say - these consultations buy us time sochanges come in more slowly. I find that valuable.

I don't pretend to live in a democracy anymore, but using nonsultations as a delaying tactic is still on the table.