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help - vegan coming for dinner.

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HufflepuffRavenclaw · 16/02/2023 15:44

Having friends over for dinner next week. Woman of the couple is quite faddy in her eating. Over the time we have know them she has been gluten-free for about 6 months, abandoned that and then gave up alcohol completely for about a year, stopped doing that and then cut out sugar, was also a pescetarian for a while. Latest is that she is vegan.

I am not a vegan and have zero interest in vegan food/cooking. I am looking for ideas which are easily adapted to vegan diets - so for example I could do tomato/mozzarella/basil and crusty bread for a starter and use vegan "cheese" for her.

Think I may buy a dessert for her as any decent pud has to have cream and butter in it.

Any ideas?

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hekissedmybottom · 17/02/2023 10:43

SoupDragon · 17/02/2023 10:41

Personal recommendations are always better than Google. That's obvious, surely?

Not really. I recommended a good few but there's 87 there and it takes a lot less effort.

ReviewingTheSituation · 17/02/2023 10:47

This is a delicious recipe - you could easily cook the base and just put a different protein on top for the vegan. Doesn't have to be monkfish - salmon works very well too (not for the vegan, obvs).
www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/monkfishwithcurriedl_93869

SoupDragon · 17/02/2023 10:48

hekissedmybottom · 17/02/2023 10:43

Not really. I recommended a good few but there's 87 there and it takes a lot less effort.

you can't grasp that someone saying "I make this and it's delicious!" Is better than 87 random recipes from google? Seriously?

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about this subject:

Newlifestartingatlast · 17/02/2023 10:48

HufflepuffRavenclaw · 16/02/2023 15:57

Right, so the 25% of the group who is vegan gets to dictate the menu for everyone? Sounds fair.

Usually I would do something like thai fishcakes or mussels or something to start, main of stuffed chicken breasts, or beouf bourginon, or salmon, pudding of cheesecake or similar.

I will cater for this person's faddiness even though I know next time we see them they'll have fallen off this current bandwagon and will be hitching up to something else. I don't though want to compromise what the rest of us enjoy eating which is why I am looking for ideas for adaptable meals.

Ok, I know your pain. A member of my extended family is same. I have a vegan and vegetarian and meat eaters , fairly free and Christ knows what at some meals. Bloody nightmare.
Heres what I do:

  1. I cook something that is served with lots of veg side dishes avoiding side dishes with cheese, dairy etc. That isn’t so difficult: herbs, spices, nice oils etc can pack a punch and make them really interesting . Buy some more unusual veggies . Roasted veg (in a flavoured oil or just good quality oil) is always a winner.
  2. I will then cook meat or fish main as normal- I will then choose a vegan based substitute as close as possible. So if I’m doing a a Sunday lunch with a roast- I’ll do a cauliflower roasted (some great easy recipes out there), if I’m doing A casserole I’ll do some lentils in same flavourings. I’ll sometimes use plant based ,meat substitutes (I have individuals list of which brands they prefer) such as making a sausage stew or chili - I’ll make the basic base with non dairy then split and add meat to one and vegan option to other.
  3. for starters, I’ve often replaced shellfish, or fishy starters with something like Jerusalem artichokes with a herb salsa (they sort of work like scallops if you boil first), or delia smiths roasted piedmont peppers , or roasted tomatoes and fennel, maybe some very garlicky herby mushrooms, A little veg dish on its own.
  4. I stay clear of dairy in savoury stuff for both vegan and meat people- not too difficult . Good oils, vinegars, herbs, spices and seeds/nuts can add the flavour you’d miss.
  5. for puds I recommend using oatly creams and milks. To be frank I’ve switched to this for custards . Oatly double cream can be whipped even and comes out tasting like Chantilly cream . There are tones of recipes using bicarb and vinegar raising and not eggs , and use plant based fats. Really, truely, I’ve done some lovely puds and cakes that don’t taste worse and aren’t a compromise, that both vegan and meat eater, vegetarians, non diaries and even non glutens can all cope with and come back for seconds with.

for me it is about avoiding meat replacements unless it really doesn’t make sense, big up the amount of veg you’ll serve anyway, switch butter for oil and bags of other flavours, and you can pull off a lovely meal where you’re all nearly eating the same thing but just a few small substitutions

be careful with cross contamination. I always prep all vegan items and dishes first and make sure they’re covered and segregated before I bring out meat, any butter I might use, fish etc….as I say becuase I cook same base for a meal where possible this isn’t hard - get the mirepoix prepared and cooked as a combined amount, and then split out to add the vegan option, get that covered and cooking, then use rest of mirepoix and get meat /fish out to add. I tend to do puds in advance the day before, so I have time to do the bit of “double cooking” I need to do.

but yep, it is a faff with vegans. Easier with vegetarians as most meat eaters are very happy with interesting and well flavoured vegetarian mains and starters anyway, so you can do one dish. Piscarians are a delight- I’d eat fish all day as well as most of the family.

I make less effort to always cook something different for vegan visitors than I do for others - I’ve got a set of dishes I do for them and they’ll get that on repeat over a few years. If push comes to shove, when I’m cooking for big gatherings and have limited oven and hob space, I do ask the guest to bring their own starter or main or even pud sometimes- luckily they’re also a good cook and are happy to do this without thinking I’m a poor host- they know I will cook something lovely for them if possible, whenever possible. I’ve even asked guest to prep and bring all the puds needed for everyone while I do mains and starters- they literally bought a bakery with them of some extraordinary and delicious vegan cakes and puds - people were going home with enormous doggy bags of left over,puds 🤣🤣🤷🏼‍♀️

hekissedmybottom · 17/02/2023 10:49

SoupDragon · 17/02/2023 10:48

you can't grasp that someone saying "I make this and it's delicious!" Is better than 87 random recipes from google? Seriously?

Just find a recipe and make it. I don't know how people don't understand how to cook without meat and dairy anyway but the first one there is vegan chilli. Just make that, make it well. If you're throwing a dinner party surely cooking is your thing? Make it like you do with meat but without meat

notacooldad · 17/02/2023 10:49

why should 75% of the party who are not vegan and have no interest in being vegan have to eat an entirely vegan meal to accommodate the 25% of the party who has decided to be vegan (this month)?

Why not flip the thinking round to ' why not try something new, it could be great' Especially if you are a good cook and enjoy cooking. If you dont enjoy cooking , keep it simple.

Have all the friends coming said they have no interest in a vegan meal? Are they just as staid and inflexible. They should be grateful that you are making a meal for them!

You make vegan food choices sound like it's some really strange concept, like the " foreign muck" attitude people had in the 70s. When all us said and done, it's meals made up of usually pretty regular ingredients.

We don't have a nutribullet. I do have a blender but that's not the same thing I don't think
Okay then don't worry about cashew cream sauce
You dont need a nutribullet for cashew sauce. I just soak cashews in warm water for 10/15 min and use a cheap blender when I make this at work.

hekissedmybottom · 17/02/2023 10:50

notacooldad · 17/02/2023 10:49

why should 75% of the party who are not vegan and have no interest in being vegan have to eat an entirely vegan meal to accommodate the 25% of the party who has decided to be vegan (this month)?

Why not flip the thinking round to ' why not try something new, it could be great' Especially if you are a good cook and enjoy cooking. If you dont enjoy cooking , keep it simple.

Have all the friends coming said they have no interest in a vegan meal? Are they just as staid and inflexible. They should be grateful that you are making a meal for them!

You make vegan food choices sound like it's some really strange concept, like the " foreign muck" attitude people had in the 70s. When all us said and done, it's meals made up of usually pretty regular ingredients.

We don't have a nutribullet. I do have a blender but that's not the same thing I don't think
Okay then don't worry about cashew cream sauce
You dont need a nutribullet for cashew sauce. I just soak cashews in warm water for 10/15 min and use a cheap blender when I make this at work.

really? No lumps?

HufflepuffRavenclaw · 17/02/2023 10:54

I’m really not sure that they’d be at all bothered by cross contamination. Their veganism is because they think it’s healthier rather than for ethical or medical reasons. I would of course be very careful if someone was coeliac or allergic to dairy but trust me, this person is not drinking vegan wine or worrying about milk products in tortilla chips.

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Pleiades2020 · 17/02/2023 10:54

HufflepuffRavenclaw · 17/02/2023 10:19

@LuckySantangelo35 why should 75% of the party who are not vegan and have no interest in being vegan have to eat an entirely vegan meal to accommodate the 25% of the party who has decided to be vegan (this month)?

Presumably the other 75% are you and your partner plus your friend's partner. If you discount yourselves from the maths it's actually 50%, i.e. you're just cooking and trying to impress two other people, one of whom is currently following a vegan diet. You're the hosts, they're the guests, and part of the host-guest etiquette is to make the guest feel welcome and included. I think you're quite capable of cooking a vegan meal - you could for pudding for example cook that same cake you mentioned earlier, with some sort of sauce/coulis and ice cream (vegan ice cream for the vegan obviously). And if you don't want to eat the leftovers yourself give it to your friend afterwards.

Inyournightgarden · 17/02/2023 10:55

Tbh I would just uninvite the attention seeker (sorry, vegan)

Terfarina · 17/02/2023 10:55

Why be so disrespectful of someone’s dietary choices! Would you serve pork to a Muslim or curry to someone who hates spicy food?

vegan food is not difficult. Substitute avocado for the mozzarella and do a stuffed vegetable if you are doing stuffed chicken breasts.

though I don’t why you would invite someone you clearly dislike and resent in the first place.

Newlifestartingatlast · 17/02/2023 10:56

HufflepuffRavenclaw · 17/02/2023 10:54

I’m really not sure that they’d be at all bothered by cross contamination. Their veganism is because they think it’s healthier rather than for ethical or medical reasons. I would of course be very careful if someone was coeliac or allergic to dairy but trust me, this person is not drinking vegan wine or worrying about milk products in tortilla chips.

Ok, but she might have a paddy if she sees you or knows you’ve used the same bowl or saucepan for cooking the meaty thing in first, or left a dairy smudge on something as she’d be technically still eating non plant based stuff

notacooldad · 17/02/2023 10:57

hekissedmybottom
My first few attempts weren't great and I had to use a sieve as well. I nearly gave up but I read about soaking to soften the cashew. I soak in warm for a minimum of 10 in warm and it was the turning point for me.

pristinesurfacesGBTD · 17/02/2023 11:00

HufflepuffRavenclaw · 16/02/2023 15:44

Having friends over for dinner next week. Woman of the couple is quite faddy in her eating. Over the time we have know them she has been gluten-free for about 6 months, abandoned that and then gave up alcohol completely for about a year, stopped doing that and then cut out sugar, was also a pescetarian for a while. Latest is that she is vegan.

I am not a vegan and have zero interest in vegan food/cooking. I am looking for ideas which are easily adapted to vegan diets - so for example I could do tomato/mozzarella/basil and crusty bread for a starter and use vegan "cheese" for her.

Think I may buy a dessert for her as any decent pud has to have cream and butter in it.

Any ideas?

vegan cheese is inedible and truly disgusting. Don't go there.

Other people's food fads shouldn't rule what everybody else eats (unless it's an allergy, health (ie diabetes) or religious thing).

So, perhaps either a veg curry for everyone, (cauliflower, potato, carrots, peas), or a meat curry with plenty of veg daal and rice - and she doesn't eat the meat, OR a regular meat and veg meal with a nut burger for her.

For pudding, you could do a dried fruit (warm or cold) compote and you can get an excellent vegan ice cream (Swedish Glace) that everybody would enjoy.

It's do-able.

hekissedmybottom · 17/02/2023 11:00

HufflepuffRavenclaw · 17/02/2023 10:54

I’m really not sure that they’d be at all bothered by cross contamination. Their veganism is because they think it’s healthier rather than for ethical or medical reasons. I would of course be very careful if someone was coeliac or allergic to dairy but trust me, this person is not drinking vegan wine or worrying about milk products in tortilla chips.

Okay well that's not vegan then, that's just plant based and a bit of meat or dairy doesn't ruin your health. Those people can eat plant based on their own time. That's just silly. Tell her you're not making plant-based and she can bring something plant-based herself.

If it's ethical that's completely different.

HufflepuffRavenclaw · 17/02/2023 11:01

No i get that @Newlifestartingatlast and I understand the rules. I wouldn’t be going to the lengths of cooking all vegan first and storing separately etc in case some meat juice wafts across it. And I wouldn’t be cutting veg with a knife previously used for meat anyway.

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RampantIvy · 17/02/2023 11:01

HufflepuffRavenclaw · 16/02/2023 15:52

I don't want to eat a vegan meal. Vegetarian yes, vegan no. Pasta and chilli is a bit "everyday dinner" rather than "nice meal with friends".

You sound rather narrow minded and very rigid in your outlook regarding food. We have eaten some great vegan meals.

Why don't you make a vegetable curry, dal, gujurati carrot salad, rice and naan, and tandoori chicken for the meat eaters?

HufflepuffRavenclaw · 17/02/2023 11:04

Plant based is probably a better way to describe it than vegan although she’d tell everyone she’s vegan. No issues with leather, wool etc.

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Newlifestartingatlast · 17/02/2023 11:04

Inyournightgarden · 17/02/2023 10:55

Tbh I would just uninvite the attention seeker (sorry, vegan)

🤣🤣🤣
but to be honest, it is getting more and more common, and you’ll end up uninviting most of your family/friends by the next generation ….I’ve had to deal with it for last 7 years and have learnt how to manage it in my way. Yep it is always more work including the meal plan, but I’ve learnt how to minimise that and how to cook good vegan food over the years so I can still host this lovely person or any new vegans I meet over next 30 years

EnglishRose1320 · 17/02/2023 11:08

I think you've got some good ideas for starters now.

I know you don't want to cook a full vegan meal and I get that. What about sticking to stuffed chicken breasts, with roasted veg couscous and roasted tenderstem broccoli and asparagus (roasted in garlic) then both sides are vegan naturally and you could make or buy a vegan tart just for her.

Pudding wise, I'd buy some Swedish glacé ice cream for whatever pudding you buy/make. I don't like many vegan alternatives, but I actually really like this ice cream.

AlmostaMamma · 17/02/2023 11:09

HufflepuffRavenclaw · 17/02/2023 08:51

Please stop the vegan suggestions, this isn't what I was looking for!

And do you really cook burgers or stir fry when having friends over for dinner? I'm not producing michelin starred food but when it's an "occasion" you go to a but more effort than a regular tuesday night meal with the kids.

All of those things (and the curry suggestions) sound at least as special and - if made from scratch, more effort - as your go to fish cakes or stuffed chicken breast!

RampantIvy · 17/02/2023 11:13

Yes, Swedish Glacé ice cream tastes just like normal dairy ice cream. No-one need ever know it doesn't contain dairy.

illtakeit · 17/02/2023 11:13

People are funny on here talking about make a vegan meal for everyone 😂
TF???
Who told you the non-vegans wants to eat a vegan meal?
OP just use google, the possibilities are endless on there.

Caspianberg · 17/02/2023 11:14

A curry can be as fancy or basic as you want. Main several, sides, homemade breads, chutneys, grill something..

HufflepuffRavenclaw · 17/02/2023 11:14

I am leaning towards tapas. Then I can do stuff I’d make anyway like patatas bravas or gazpacho and just buy some vegan meatballs or something for the one who won’t eat the regular ones.

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