Cultural circumcision in babies/young boys

[junipermarten]

1 of my DS's is circumcised due to a medical issue, he was 3 at the time and it was bloody horrific.

When he was going through it, a good friend gave me tips on after care and offered the number of a private doctor. She has sons who were circumcised shortly after birth for religious reasons.

I personally don't agree with circumcision unless medically required however I respect others choices for religious reasons.

It got me thinking about the high % of boys in the US who are circumcised for cultural reasons, just over 2/3rds. Why is it so prevalent there?

I was having a look at % of male pop per country and the highest were mainly Islamic, but also Samoa was almost 100% which surprised me but apparently its cultural as opposed to religious (I think).

I follow blood stained men (think that’s their name) on TikTok. Seems like a more vocal group of circumcised men are growing in the US and rates are dropping.

I did it for religious reasons there was no thought about it obviously i felt anxious but after care was fine and he healed in two days

Are you a circumcised man?

Religious circumcision is not done for medical reasons.....billions on men manage being uncircumcised.

Religious circumcision is cutting babies genitals without their consent

Utterly shameful

What about the psychological healing?

How long will that take?

Male circumcision occurs across all religions and none, it happens across colour, class and nations. Many of our politicians, scientists, doctors and royalty have been circumcised and none are calling for a ban.

Why not?

No.🤣🤣🤣

Haaaaah! You're trying to have your cake and eat it 😂If only circumcised men have the right to argue against circumcision what right have you got to argue in favour? 😉😉😉

I don't agree with it for religious reasons. Why remove perfectly good human tissue from a screaming baby on the dining table with lots of guests?

My XH had it done in the 60s in the UK. It was a middle class fashion.

But it's ok for males because it sometimes is? It's abuse and wrong. It will be something people look back in with horror and wonder why it was 'accepted' like so many other things

@Bagsundermyeyestoday I agree. Just because MGM doesn't cause the same level of medical harm that FGM does that does not make it right. The arguments for FGM and MGM are the same: religious and cultural. Advocates of MGM are hypocrites if they condemn FGM.

I'm not arguing in favour, I'm arguing against a ban.

No. It is. Vile. Control, just because you can attitude. And then using religion as a reason. Barmy

I’m not in favour of hurting children, I just don’t want it banned

If its that bad, let the "victims" speak and campaign. I have no time for people conferring victimhood onto others. And I am highly critical of any moves a government would make to criminalise common, millenia old religious and cultural practice because a bunch of UK Millenials(?) don't like it.

It's an authoritarian step too far.

“It’s an authoritarian step too far” whines poster after just presenting their own alternative, yet still highly authoritarian basis for supporting genital mutilation.

bet you also support slavery, homophobia and rape in marriage too. After all they’re all common, millennia old religious and cultural practices.

@Weefreetiffany this - tradition used to defend immoral and cruel practices. It's a thing humans have been doing forever. We've managed to legislate against many of them and made things better. We can do the same with MGM and get better at enforcing it with FGM. There should be no sacred cows.

Apply all of that post to FGM
of do you think it’s “different”

”victims” in inverted commas is a nice touch tbf. These babies losing a part of their bodies are not real victims are they.

there is so much wrong with this post I’m almost speechless

I thought we as a society were all about consent now. Surely if someone wants a circumcision for religious reasons that’s fine, they can do it as an adult. However babies cannot consent so they shouldn’t have procedures like these performed on them when there is not a medical need.

i Would b interested to know the statistic around risk and complications. Any procedure comes with risks (things like infections), so I’ve no idea why you’d take a needless risk with such a small baby.

FGM has zero medical benefit.
FGM causes many serious, lifelong health problems for the women concerned.
Victim of FGM speak out and campaign for its abolition.

The same cannot be said for men who have undergone circumcision.🤷‍♀️

What happened to science and logic in this debate? Are we to ignore the evidence and pander to an argument based so much on emotion that it doesn't even need actual victims? Just 21st century Mnetters who aren't impacted, they just don't like the thought of it happening.

No I asked you to apply what you said in that post. That specific post. Not being other points into it

You continue to claim there are no real victims. Why?

and you claim objection to circumcision is emotional, yet the whole practice is based on faith!

Who are the victims?
What is your concern for them?

There are millions of circumcised men and boys walking the planet comfortably, enjoying sex, going about their daily lives without pain or discomfort, or giving a second thought to circumcision.

Studies have been done and conclusions have been drawn - circumcision is medically insignificant, like ear piercing - but zealots who are determined to find a problem where none exists keep on wanging on (though they claim to be speechless).

And how are faith and emotion linked?

There seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding here.

I’m not engaging with you

Sorry but this is a gross oversimplification and exaggeration. Let’s flip it and say just because you personally haven’t heard from or done any research into the mens groups that does exist (one was mentioned up thread) campaigning against it, doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

it’s taken a long time to get people to speak out against fgm because of the massive taboo and belief that it’s what should be done within the societies that practice it. It will take longer for men to be able to speak out against mgm because it’s that much more common and practiced in religious communities.

first you appeal to culture and religion and when that doesn’t go your way, flip and talk about science and logic? Any straw to clutch at other that say yes it’s awful to do this to a small baby that doesn’t need it for medical reasons and can’t consent.