Yet another person killed from a dog attack.. what is going on

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-64254413

Something needs to be done...reports of dog neglect taken more seriously, harsher prison sentences... any other ideas?

Awful, awful way to die, and makes me think twice about passing dogs off lead on walks.

Make dog owners pay a big fat licensing fee and fine the sh*t out of them and take the pet away whenever if it causes inconvenience.

I know this view will be unpopular with some but I do think pet dogs are a massive nuisance to the general public. It most owners are considerate then why are the streets full of dog poo and why do my children often get approached and sniffed by strange dogs in the park? It’s a very frightening experience for a young child.

Round my way I used to see a woman who walked a pack of huskies, maybe it was something like that?
maybe that's why I don't see that woman anymore she got killed by her dogs?

Wow

In general I like dogs and tend to stop and stroke them with the owners permission. But...I now don't feel it's safe to let my children run free on the local playing fields (with me watching them closely) as there are too many dogs running free and you can't just make the assumption that they will be friendly. I do think there needs to be some control of dog ownership. Responsible dog owners won't have any issue with this. In fact, I know plenty and they don't.

Thanks for link yorkshirepudzx
the story seem to imply that it was one of the dogs she was walking that attacked her, but I can’t see that it is confirmed? Could it have been another dog maybe?

Possibly it's still quite unclear for now x

As I understand it this specific instance was related to a group of people who live largely outside of the law. Unfortunately this means dog licenses are pointless and useless.

Good owners have their dogs chipped, insured and walk them on leads around people and other animals. We are not talking about good owners though.

Nor, in this case, are we talking about naive owners who take their eyes off an adolescent dog momentarily (not that I'm excusing that to be clear).

This is about criminals who have large numbers of dogs to protect their business or their image within their community. This is who is responsible for that poor lady's murder and her friend's injuries.

I would also suggest that anyone who believes occasional use of cannabis or cocaine is harmless needs to wake up to how the business operates.

This is about criminals who have large numbers of dogs to protect their business or their image within their community. This is who is responsible for that poor lady's murder and her friend's injuries.

This is indeed, murder - or at the very least manslaughter. But I'll bet that at worst they get charged with having a dangerously out of control dog.

Scum!.

I think people should walk 2 dogs or less only. you have a better chance of controlling them if a dog fight occurs. A local woman of a small build walked 4 German shepherds, and ppl avoid her like the plague. Her dogs have been involved in several incidents. I am sick of loose dogs running up to my dog which is on a lead. They yell my dog is fine then I get abuse for demanding they put it on a lead or take it away. Another pet hate lazy ppl that sends the kid out with a large dog on a extender lead. What if the dog chases some thing.

Dog licences earned through a test (and paid for ) before anyone is allowed to let their dog off lead is the answer. Dogs on leads aren’t a bother. I keep mine on lead and he’s terrified of off lead dogs . Too many owners who think it’s ok to slow their dogs to run up - I don’t walk him on my local common as a result and I was thankful yesterday when when a big bouncy puppy came and actually jumped onto me 3 times - owner half heartedly tried to call. Useless .

As a dog owner and a lover of all animals I agree that it could be a good idea to muzzle any dog capable of causing significant harm ie. any dog over a certain weight/size when out and off lead. I think you can get soft muzzles that don’t totally restrict but restrict enough to avoid a full on attack. This is preferable, in my opinion, to requiring dogs to always be on lead. My dog would almost definitely fall into the category of having to be muzzled, but I’d support it if it could avoid another incident like this happening again. Poor, poor woman.

It’s time for a new and improved law. Instead of or addition to prison, where we know they won’t go anyway unless someone die, take their property like cars and houses. For violent crimes, put them in prison AND strip them of all assets. Ban them from going abroad and from buying alcohol and attending public venues such as football games.

Breeds like American XL Bullies need banning,

That would be pointless as they’re just the ‘in’ dog now and it will change soon.

It used to be staffys that people wanted banning.

Before that it was Rottweilers.

Before that German Shepards.

Before that huskies.

Before that Dobermans.

It changes all of the time and getting rid of certain breeds would mean more illegal breeding or just changing to a new breed.

The only solution would be to ban all dogs which I completely disagree with.
It’ll also lead to banning of other animals.

Cows are way more dangerous than dogs and way more harmful to the environment (as someone was so concerned about).

Horses are way more dangerous than dogs.
And more deaths are caused by falling off one than by dog bites.
So that means we’d have to ban those too.

The pet industry will lobby hard against anything which restricts dog ownership as far as they are concerned the more dogs and the bigger the dogs the bigger their profits and all the better for them
They are the ones driving us to consider dogs as equivalent to humans they do this because they know it makes humans spend more money on the dogs again it's all about increasing their profits
I don't know what to do except arm myself with pepper spray and extendable baton, but then the owners of the predators will go out armed too.

Banning bigger breeds would be senseless. I'd trust a red setter, or Labrador over a staffy any day. And I love staffies too.. but many small breeds were historically bred for ratting, or catching rabbits. Why would you trust a small breed dog, bred to rag small animals to death? It's far more inclined towards attacking a child than a doberman. I also think that muzzles make dogs feel threatened, and then socializing them becomes difficult. On leash exercise is never enough, and a dog that isn't exercised enough will be agitated and boisterous at best. No-one with a busy life is going to go to the dog park every day. Restricting the dogs quality of life outdoors, will make them a dangerous nightmare in the home. I don't have any solutions, but trying to limit a dogs freedom, without considering what a dog is, and what it needs, is just stupid.

7 dogs??? Why isn't there a law for this? How can you control 7 animals? I know dog walkers who take this many out at a time, I just can't see how the person walking them can be fully in control, even on leads.

This poor young woman has lost her life due to the actions of someone else, I do hope this person is prosecuted. Something needs to change, I'm not an anxious person but if we go anywhere for a walk away from roads we are constantly on guard for dog walking idiots. If one more person informs me their dog is "friendly" when it bolts towards my young children!!! A dog can switch in a split second, it's an animal, get it on a lead and away from people on public footpaths.

How many times do awful incidents like this have to happen before something changes?

As you can tell from my screenname, dog lover here.

You can introduce all these things and there are fines already for fouling parks and streets with dog muck, for not keeping your dog under control, etc.

The simple fact is most owners are responsible and they also have non-aggressive, well socialised dogs. They pick up after them.

But then there's a tier of owner who are fucking clueless, the dog is a fashion , a fad, they don't train them never mind pick up their shit. They are useless and akin to parents who let their kids run wild in busy restaurants with waiters carrying hot food. These people don't care about laws and rules, they think they are above them.

Then their are fuckers , horrible people will continue to own dogs and see them as weapons and wont socialise them, they want them vying for blood, these are the most dangerous, and they don't give. a fuck about laws.

Dogs are just a reflection of the people that own them- most people are good, decent, a minority are feckless and some are just fucking evil.

The dog problem has escalated significantly since the pandemic, from the look of the photos this happened in a well to do middle class area?
maybe this will galvanise people to take action?
I make a point of crossing the road when I see dogs that look threatening or dogs off the leads, I might start taking pictures of them too

There is a law for this.

Just as there's laws not to kill or rape...

"This poor young woman has lost her life due to the actions of someone else, I do hope this person is prosecuted. Something needs to change, I'm not an anxious person but if we go anywhere for a walk away from roads we are constantly on guard for dog walking idiots."

The police have said she was the dog walker, walking several dogs and that they now have possession of 8 dogs.

As I understand it this specific instance was related to a group of people who live largely outside of the law. Unfortunately this means dog licenses are pointless and useless.

Good owners have their dogs chipped, insured and walk them on leads around people and other animals. We are not talking about good owners though.

This is the issue though isn’t it.

You can have all the restrictions in the world but if you are a certain type of person then you’re not going to follow them anyway.

Banning certain breeds also will give these people more of an incentive to get those breeds.

And for those who are good owners, it is usually a freak accident like they have a seizure and their dog attacks them or the dog gets into a fight with another dog and they’re caught in the middle.

My vet has a cocker spaniel who he said was an absolute angel and brought up around children, then one day he just bit his son for no apparent reason.
The only thing that was different about the boy was that he had an undiagnosed tumour and he wonders if that had something to do with it.

All dogs over a certain size or weight should be banned for sale to the general public. Exception should be made for working dogs which should be licensed.

That way anyone seen walking the street with a large dog will just have it confiscated and destroyed with no right of appeal.

@SpringsRightAroundTheCorner round here dog walkers are allowed up to 7 dogs. I personally think that is too many. They don’t own or live with the dogs and I’m not convinced they have enough control if a problem arises. The regulations need changing. 7 is ridiculous.
@Pointerdogsrule I agree with everything you said.

I'm willing to bet that women and children are much more at risk, predators will tend to instinctively go for the easier prey

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Have never had to use it, but I won't ever be put in a situation again where my children are standing terrified behind me while someone's beast barks and jumps up menacingly whilst its owner, some hundreds of metres away, is shouting to tell me how "friendly" it is.