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Parliamentary consultation on Assisted Dying

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BoreOfWhabylon · 01/01/2023 16:25

You can give your views on this important subject by completing the brief survey linked in the OP of this thread. It's very short and simple

www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/4707907-please-give-your-views-on-assisted-dying-to-the-parliamentary-consulation-by-20th-january-2023-it-will-only-take-a-few-minutes?reply=122653412

Just emphasising it's a survey, not a petition. The consultation closes on 20 January.

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ILoveAllRainbowsx · 01/01/2023 19:25

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LangClegsInSpace · 01/01/2023 19:26

Even with the best care, death is not always peaceful and comfortable.

ILoveAllRainbowsx · 01/01/2023 19:31

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LangClegsInSpace · 01/01/2023 19:35

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But you don't have that right. That's why you are campaigning for a change in the law.

Earlier you said something like it was the most important human right. I don't think you understand how human rights work.

You could make a decent Article 8 (private and family life) argument for assisted dying but your rights under article 8 can be restricted in order to protect the rights and freedoms of other people, such as Article 2 (right to life) which can only be restricted in extreme circumstances.

MayThe4th · 01/01/2023 19:38

LangClegsInSpace · 01/01/2023 19:12

Thank you for posting this. It's worth digging down into the details.

yonderconsulting.com/poll/dignity-in-dying/

The question asked was:

A proposed new law would allow terminally ill adults the option of assisted dying. This would mean being provided with life-ending medication, to take themselves, if two doctors were satisfied they met all of the safeguards. They would need to be of sound mind, be terminally ill and have 6 months or less to live, and a High Court judge would have to be satisfied that they had made a voluntary, clear and settled decision to end their life, with time to consider all other options. Whether or not you would want the choice for yourself, do you support or oppose this proposal for assisted dying becoming law?

So straight away we can see that this law would do nothing for people with dementia because by the time they are likely to die within six months, they are no longer of sound mind. People with other long term degenerative conditions would also still have to go through years of suffering and 'being a burden' before they reached the timescale where they could use this law and would then still need to be able to administer the medication themself.

Breaking down the 84% figure, 49% (i.e. less than half) of respondents strongly support the proposal. 35% somewhat support.

With the exception of Muslims, most religious people are in support and there are not huge differences between religious people and those with no religion, so it would be good if people could stop dismissing concerns as religion based.

The safeguards outlined here sound OK to me for this small, specific group. I would worry this would not be enough for some people though and they would carry on campaigning to widen the criteria. This is when problems have occurred in other countries.

So put me down as part of the 35% who 'somewhat support' this specific proposal. I get the impression it's not quite what some posters here have in mind though.

All of this. Already on this thread we have posters wanting to give a trusted friend the ability to kill them off when the time comes, even if they’re mentally incapacitated.

People saying they don’t want to live with dementia and the list goes on.

And people will absolutely campaign for amendments to the law, and once the law is in place it will be so much easier to amend.

ILoveAllRainbowsx · 01/01/2023 19:40

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MayThe4th · 01/01/2023 19:48

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You can’t possibly compare things like driving to ending someone’s life.

generally if someone is killed in a car accident it is just that. An accident. And if not then criminal proceedings may follow.

Drink driving is in fact banned, so although alcohol isn’t, what we can do with it has pretty tight laws.

The difference between those and assisted suicide is that if someone feels obliged to end their life because of other people there is no way to guard against it. All they have to say is that it is their wish and the doctors will allow it.

As PP posted above, even if assisted dying is made legal the majority of people on this thread wouldn’t benefit from it in the circumstances they outlined, and that will lead to more campaigning. Let’s add dementia into the mix, then let’s add brain injuries where the person no longer has capacity and the family are left with the burden of looking after them.

Unless you make assisted dying limited to the terminally ill with less than six months to live who is of sound mind and able to take the medication themselves there is too much scope for abuse.

And the instant you start allowing for the mentally incapacities to be killed you are starting to enter into the realms of eugenics.

LangClegsInSpace · 01/01/2023 19:49

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Do you understand that your human rights must be balanced against other people's, including those who do not want to die but are killed because, as you say, the system cannot be made 100% foolproof?

LangClegsInSpace · 01/01/2023 19:56

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Are you even reading people's posts?

The survey you posted showed a high level of support for a specific proposed law that would not help people with dementia.

The safeguarding implications of any proposal that would help people with dementia are miles away from the proposal in your survey. You have done nothing to show that such safeguards would be possible. Instead you make a nasty insinuation that May wants people to suffer.

ILoveAllRainbowsx · 03/01/2023 10:29

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DawnMumsnet · 03/01/2023 14:43

Hi all, we're closing this thread at the OP's request and directing everyone over to this longer one - Please give your views on assisted dying to the parliamentary consultation by 20th January 2023 - it will only take a few minutes

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