bed blockers adding to the lack of hospital beds

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My mum was medically discharged to leave hospital into rehab (following a stroke) well over a month ago but due to no rehab beds being available she is still taking a hospital bed from someone who needs to be admitted from a&e. She has now tested positive for covid and despite no symptoms at all is now taking a private room on the ward for 7 days as they insist she isolates.

Over 3 weeks ago I rang every private rehab within 50 miles and none could assess her to see if she could transfer until 5th Jan. Despite fees of over £2k per week with extra charges for all physio.

She could possibly have regained mobility with daily physio in rehab had she been discharged weeks ago whereas now she could have far more care needs for the rest of her life.

The system appears broken to me and could affect any one of us and I cant understand the lack of protests. Any of us could need the hospital bed not just the elderly. Her ward is not just used for strokes.

But they’re not old and haven’t already lived a life. That’s the difference

Ah. I wondered when the quiet part would be said loud, and there it is. The old are dispensable, simply because they're old.

That was for @Cuppasoupmonster

Yes that’s exactly what I’m saying. Not. For fucks sake does anyone actually read posts before writing this crap?

taken from another post, this diagram shows how spending on social care has decreased under the conservatives (not that I will ever vote Labour either)

Not at all. I don’t think a healthy, mentally present 95 year old should be denied simple medical treatments just to hurry them up. But elderly people with dementia, or who need 24/7 nursing care and are in a state of confusion or distress a lot of the time? It’s cruel to keep them alive, just to relieve the conscience of strangers.

Yep and how well does that work? basically abortion on demand. Would you be happy with killing Granny on demand?

I just think that in a country with the wealth the UK has and compared to other countries, we can do better.

Yes but how long before a politician or Trust CEO decides that that mentally able 90+ yo should be bumped off to met a target or release a bed?

why 90, why not a economically inactive 75yo ?

@Cuppasoupmonster Oh I perfectly read your post, I was just that gobsmacked that you had put it 🤣 Feel free to call my thoughts crappie but don't think the majority on a site called mumsnet would agree with your proposal to kill any baby or foetus with a diagnosis as you implied!

Where on Earth did I propose that?! Do quote me.

I’ll quote myself seeing as you’re incapable of reading comprehension, Purple. ⬆️

why 90, why not a economically inactive 75yo ?

Or 25 year old? oh wait, they're young. Can't bump them off.

I think there should be tests for dementia patients to see how far they have gone. After certain limit any treatment is denied.

@Cuppasoupmonster Entry as above at 19:54 wgere you agreed with me seekung clarification....Sorry but think you are saying basically and child born with any illness shouldn't be allowed to live?? Wow....would hate to be in your family or a friend if someone was ill! And if that's the case, how far do you go...deaf...short sighted...squint....no need to live as may I pact your view of quality of life...

Yes that’s exactly what I’m saying. Not. For fucks sake does anyone actually read posts before writing this crap?

And then you continued saying the old had lived a life and should be a panel of 3 staff to look at all people in such a situation

Its scary, i'm 60, planning a cycling holiday and a 200km Sportive in the Pyrenees with my OH but @Cuppasoupmonster might deem me too old, i might not make the ferry!

Dragged away, to be executed to meet a target.

If you think that’s what I said then you’re basically incapable of discussion because you’re just making stuff up.

and who sets that test or then alters it to include you?

This is why there are long queues of ambulances outside A&E.

Social care is undervalued and under funded. It is essential for a dignified life and to support independence. It’s been ignored by successive governments & is now well & truly in crisis.

Getting back to bed blockers...the point of a dr is to do no harm under the Hypocratic Oath, not to judge who lives and dies unless purely on medical individual circumstances. Not due to diagnosis, or age or postcode or number of available beds

When abortions were legalised everyone was talking about ‘how long will it be before murder is legalised’ etc. Believe it or not we are capable of setting limits as a society, we don’t just throw Pandora’s box open.

Its been ignored by the Tories, it used to work.

I just think that in a country with the wealth the UK has and compared to other countries, we can do better.

we aren't as wealthy as we think we are & the wealth is very unevenly distributed. We need to tax wealth far more as opposed to more income tax.

No fear seeing as I never said that.

What you are proposing is murder?

So you disagree with abortions? Stopping CPR, we should just carry on forever? Not withdrawing life support even in the case of brain death?

I believe if a 90 year old has an illness that is 80% likely to be fatal, and a 40 year old has an illness that is 30% likely to be fatal, we should concentrate on the 40 year old. Medical need isn’t always as clear cut as one will die and one won’t.