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Christmas Eve row - where do we all go from here?

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Cluelessat33 · 28/12/2022 13:41

Long story somewhat short. My Mum is a functioning alcoholic. Our childhood was hideous. Both my parents were heavy drinkers when I was small. My Dad went t total what I was about 11. Mum continued to drink. And despite being much better now, can still be vile when she's had a few. I'm one of 4 sisters. Life was fraught when going up. I took a lot of responsibility growing up shielding my little sister from it. Trying to resolve arguments. Coming between them in physical fights, baring the brunt of my mother's alcoholic rage when my dad worked away. Caring for my little sis and often my Mum when too pissed to function. My older sisters had left home at this time, but tried their best from afar.

After a few years of limited contact after I left home. I have built a reasonably good relationship with my parents. I suppose in my head i see the parents of my youth as different people to those I know now. It helps me accept things better. they have been incredibly supportive since my marriage fell apart.

We have had several years of rubbish Christmas, like most. 2019 my marriage was on the rocks and it unravelled over the Christmas period. 2020 obviously covid. 2021 we all came together again, but ended up giving each other covid. So we were all looking forward to this year. My daughter was with me, as me and her dad alternate Christmas.

So we meet up. They are both clearly in a foul mood. I can tell my mum is in that mood. 13 of us head to the pub, have a few drinks. Lots of tense comments, my dad makes comments about me and my sister pouring alcohol down my mums throat (not true I didn't buy her a single drink). They are both terrible company, they complain about the noise the kids are making, and shout at them constantly.

We go home, everyone is feeling fraught. I overhear my Dad making a comment about Mum topping up her booze levels. And I lost my temper. I called him out on his mood, about him holding me and my sister responsibility for my mother's actions. I quiz him about what the problem was and why there was so much issue with the kids being excited at Christmas. I beg him to stop and to try and let everyone enjoy the period. Probably not the best delivery, but things that needed to be said. I told him I ended my marriage to avoid this sort of environment, and I wouldn't tolerate it for my daughter.

My other sisters sat down with them both and tried to talk things through with the pair of them. But like all other conversations like this over the years, it is clear there issues are deep seated and unlikely to be addressed. We quietly mutually agreed to put it aside and enjoy Christmas Day. But much was said that wasn't properly resolved. And decades of hurt are still sitting in the corner.

To be honest I don't know where to go from here. in the past I would have pretended nothing had happened and got on with life. But I jyst don't know if I can do that. They have caused me immense pain over the years and I'm frustrated that the cycle of confrontation and then ignoring will continue. But I don't see any scope for anything else. The minute others confront them about their behaviour, they will come together and blame everyone around them, rather than face up to the myriad of issues. I an however fed up of turning a blind eye to their toxic behaviour. I spent too many years feeling responsibility for my Mums behaviour, and I'm so angry that my dad feels the need to continue to blame us rather than actually confront the real issue. Particularly as he is often more than happy to enable her to allow himself a quiet life.

How do i proceed? Be gentle, I'm feeling fragile.

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bravelittletiger · 28/12/2022 13:46

It sounds extremely toxic and triggering and I'm sorry you've had to put up with this as a child and are still having to cope with it now.

My suggestion would be to find a good therapist for yourself to help you to process the childhood trauma. I would also consider writing your parents a letter to tell them how you feel and how upset you have been by the episode at Christmas. I would then tell them that you would like to be no contact for a period whilst you work through where you want to go next with the relationship and tell them you are doing this to prioritise your own and your daughters' mental health.

Splonker · 28/12/2022 13:49

Reading your OP makes me want to film your mum and then play it back to her when she's sober....

SirChenjins · 28/12/2022 13:54

I think you proceed with your own life from a distance for a while until you process this and decide what you want to do - it’s very recent and very raw at the moment, and you don’t have to make any decisions right now.
You have obviously had a hellish time with the pair of them, but things are never going to change unfortunately - they are each other’s enablers for whatever reason. Christmas is always fraught when different generations come together, and when you take an alcoholic to a pub things are not going to be easy.
I agree with @bravelittletiger - it might be worth looking at some counselling from someone who specialises in adverse childhood events to help you come to terms with things in your past. I really feel for you, life isn’t fair at times and this is a huge amount for you to deal with.

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Maytodecember · 28/12/2022 14:06

Christmas and alcoholics just don’t go together. Every Christmas I was married to my alcoholic ex was miserable.
I too was tempted to film him and show him when he was sobered up ( as pp suggested) but I just knew it would backfire on me, with various accusations, possibly violence.
While your dm has your df to enable her she’s never going to give up alcohol and I think future get togethers should involve your siblings and children, have a great Christmas Eve and Christmas Day then invite your parents for the morning of Boxing Day, coffee, snacks, no alcohol, set 2 hour slot then they’re on their way. You have to protect yourself and your dc from alcoholism.

lightand · 28/12/2022 14:12

I think you need to get things off your chest.

Perhaps write it down, or at least some of it?
Then wait a couple of days and then see if you want to send it[or some of it] or give it to them?

But I woldnt expect any major changes from either of them, sadly.

And as the Queen famously said, "recollections can vary".

ilovebagpuss · 28/12/2022 14:13

Sorry that sounds like an awful evening for you triggering lots of ongoing trauma and upset.
I dont think you will ever change how they both behave but it was very unfair of your DF to blame you for DM drinking.
I think they only way you can protect your DD and yourself is to not invite them.
Hard as this is you have a right to a pleasant, fun Christmas without drama.
I also don't think you can bring it up with them and somehow have a sensible conversation so i would just move on.
Find a way for plans to either not involve them or on very strict terms where you can leave, like if you go and visit them for a couple of hours.

Vinylloving · 28/12/2022 14:15

I echo other pp. I have some similar issues in my family so I recognize the challenge, grief, anger and sadness it causes. One way forward is to be explicit, like writing a letter. Tell them you are setting boundaries for your own sake, so e.g. you won't discuss their life/decisions/ alcohol any more as it just causes stress for you. Keep things superficial, meet for limited periods of time and don't let them persuade you otherwise. Neutral territory. Make provision for kids to be taken off out to the park/a walk if it gets too much.

Most important for yourself, come to terms with the reality. It will never be like you hope it will be. Normal family stuff like trips to the pub are out of the question. Don't expect problems to have vanished at Christmas. Don't let yourself fall for the hope it's better, as each time it isn't the disappointment is unbearable. You need to keep on an even keel with it, the boundaries are crucial to this. If they try to drag you into any drama, just repeat you know how I feel about this, I won't discuss it, if you can't accept that we need to take a break untill they do accept the 'rulea' for your relationship. If you say all of this without shouting, anger etc, it breaks the cycle and the 'language' of your family

Vinylloving · 28/12/2022 14:18

Another thing that helped me, is remember that you can only affect things that are in your sphere of influence. For things outside of it, like the alcoholism, there is little you can do. I would say your piece calmly in writing, take the step back and stay there. Look after yourself and your DC. Best of luck

silverclock222 · 28/12/2022 14:21

Sorry but you don't take alcoholics to the pub nor have alcohol around them. Alcoholics will always be selfish, you can't win. As daughter of alcoholic I speak from experience. Was NC with F because I refused to put my family through my childhood.

windandtherain · 28/12/2022 14:21

I agree with PP’s that therapy might be a good idea for you.

PinkFizz1 · 28/12/2022 14:24

Sorry I don’t mean this to come across as judgey but I am genuinely interested (and I’m asking this as a recovering alcoholic myself) - why did you take an alcoholic to the pub?

I can’t imagine my family suggesting going to the pub with me. I’m not blaming you or your family for the events that unfolded but I am genuinely curious as to why the pub would even be an option to take an alcoholic to?

Cluelessat33 · 28/12/2022 14:27

@PinkFizz1 you make it sound like she was frog marched to the pub. Many of us are adults. We chose to go she chose to come. After 33 years of being held responsible for their choices I shan't take on that responsibility.

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gottastopeatingchocolate · 28/12/2022 14:29

It might be good to seek out people who understand. There is a website - I think it is adultchildrenofalcoholics.co.uk.

SirChenjins · 28/12/2022 14:31

I don’t think anyone is suggesting you frog-marched her there - but alcoholics and pubs just don’t mix.

PinkFizz1 · 28/12/2022 14:48

@Cluelessat33 Im absolutely not suggesting that at all, like I said I really didn’t want that question to come across as judgemental. I’m trying to understand why it would even enter your head to suggest the pub when you’re going to be in the company of an alcoholic. Especially as you’ve spent your whole life knowing her relationship with alcohol. I’m a year into sobriety and my family wouldn’t even make the suggestion, out of sheer support for me. Of course she chose to go to the pub, she’s an alcoholic!

Like I said I am in no way blaming you for the events that unfolded. But please don’t suggest going to the pub when you’re in the company of an alcoholic again.

Wallywobbles · 28/12/2022 15:03

Does your mum know that you all think she's an alcoholic? Does she accept it?

Ydkiml · 28/12/2022 15:07

Op , you need to go to the page on here titled - they took us to stately homes , it’s full of similar situations and it’s very helpful

Worklessplaymore · 28/12/2022 15:35

PinkFizz1 · 28/12/2022 14:24

Sorry I don’t mean this to come across as judgey but I am genuinely interested (and I’m asking this as a recovering alcoholic myself) - why did you take an alcoholic to the pub?

I can’t imagine my family suggesting going to the pub with me. I’m not blaming you or your family for the events that unfolded but I am genuinely curious as to why the pub would even be an option to take an alcoholic to?

Sorry op, this is all awful for you and your dd, but I’m afraid this was my question too.

And I think it might have been better for your sisters to try and talk things out with your parents when they first arrived and try and find out why your parents were in a foul mood in the first place. Had they had a row, were they feeling stressed etc?

How do your parents get along when you and your sisters are not there?

I agree with the op who said that your parents are probably each other’s enabler. and you all coming home puts that under a huge spotlight.

You are going to drive yourself insane trying to “fix” this dynamic , or even trying to demand an acknowledgment of where they fell short, so don’t try. They probably know all too well how badly they failed you, but, for whatever reason, weren’t able to change at that time. They are weak and terribly flawed humans and that’s very hard to accept when they are your parents.

Be grateful for the help they were able to give you recently and leave it at that and go and get some support from a licensed psychologist. And then put some healthy boundaries in place.

You have every right to be angry at your parents dysfunction and you are obviously going to be feeling more fragile than usual following a break up, but the answer doesn’t lie inside the family.

TabithaTittlemouse · 28/12/2022 15:47

Accepting who they are and that you can’t change them is the hardest but most rewarding part of being the child of an alcoholic.

Nothing that you do or say (now or in the past) will change who they are. You are not to blame, you never were.

I choose to protect myself and my children by going nc. I didn’t want alcoholism to affect my children.

Batinahat · 28/12/2022 15:59

Other adults are entirely responsible for themselves. For their actions, for their feelings, for their emotions. I agree with others saying focus on yourself and not on them. The only thing you can change is yourself. 100% think you would benefit from therapy to help you unpack how their choices and behaviours have impacted you and your childhood and adult life. Be kind to yourself by doing the kindest thing you can - looking after yourself, putting yourself first and putting your energy, money and time into you x

Flippinghecklike · 28/12/2022 16:11

I’ve been there and the person I am most frustrated with for you is actually your dad. My own df, who is absolutely lovely but just passive / caught up in it all will look for anyone to blame for dm drinking other than her or take responsibility himself: me, her sister, anyone really. I totally get why you went to the pub. The alternative is saying no and risking an argument and they would go anyway. The only way I deal with it these days is to, in a sort of stern but cheerful voice I have perfected after years of teaching, say “you’re not blaming me for this, she is an adult” which leaves him sulking but shuts him up for an evening. You are not responsible for stopping her drinking and you couldn’t anyway. Solidarity, it is bloody hard.

Aquasulis · 28/12/2022 17:00

Ydkiml · 28/12/2022 15:07

Op , you need to go to the page on here titled - they took us to stately homes , it’s full of similar situations and it’s very helpful

This.
alcoholics and Christmas never go together. Neither do abusive parents. Go away and get away from them

Hahahahohoho · 28/12/2022 17:15

I have a similar background - OP you didn’t cause this and you can’t fix it. The blame never stops, it’s so hard though to see your parents like this and wish for a bit of normality. Sounds like you get on with your siblings which is something - often in these situations families/siblings become very dysfunctional. You might benefit from some counselling to help you deal with the past and find a way of accepting the future.

Greatly · 28/12/2022 17:18

Therapy. Don't meet them in the pub - talk about the fact that your mum has a drink problem, don't hide it. Watch your own drinking.

baublesandbreakdowns · 28/12/2022 17:31

PinkFizz1 · 28/12/2022 14:48

@Cluelessat33 Im absolutely not suggesting that at all, like I said I really didn’t want that question to come across as judgemental. I’m trying to understand why it would even enter your head to suggest the pub when you’re going to be in the company of an alcoholic. Especially as you’ve spent your whole life knowing her relationship with alcohol. I’m a year into sobriety and my family wouldn’t even make the suggestion, out of sheer support for me. Of course she chose to go to the pub, she’s an alcoholic!

Like I said I am in no way blaming you for the events that unfolded. But please don’t suggest going to the pub when you’re in the company of an alcoholic again.

I do get that and you're right but on the flip side, it's really hard to spend your whole life making allowances and adjustments for someone.

I've got a relative in my life who is an alcoholic and it's exhausting.

I like a drink, I have a healthy relationship with alcohol and so do the rest of my family.

I spend all year avoiding drinking with them, avoiding opportunities for them to drink, making sure they need to drive wherever we go, finding activities with no bar, checking they're not pissed when we're hanging out with other family. At the park, beach, forest walks with the kids. Waiting for the ball to drop and something to happen.

Sometimes I expect the ops family just think 'fuck it', I do.

The person in my life doesn't accept they have a problem with alcohol either, at least not openly.

So do we all sit around not drinking while they get pissed and aggressive or just ignore them and get on with our lives and do what we want to on special occasions?

I sound horribly uncaring but I promise you I'm not. I'm just worn down by 30 years of 'managing' them. And if they're ready for help, I'll move heaven and earth to get it for them.