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Are unconventional people happier?

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JoonT · 17/12/2022 16:55

Do you think people who reject 'normal' life are more, or less, happy than the average person?

I guess a conventional life would be something like this:

  1. You marry, invite all your friends, and put the photos on social media.
  2. You get some qualifications, use them to get a job, then build a career, working your way up the ladder.
  3. You buy a small starter home with your partner, then save for something better.
  4. You have a couple of kids.
  5. You have a group of friends and various social media accounts, through which you 'share your journey' through life (or, if you prefer, 'compete and show off').
  6. You belong to the community, getting to know the neighbours, joining the Parish Council, going to the local pub, etc, where you talk about your kids and your career.
  7. You retire and enjoy your grandchildren.

(OK, OK, not everyone passes through those exact stages. And you don't need to tick every box to be conventional.)

How about people who reject that sort of life? I mean people who choose not to have kids, not to take on a mortgage, not to pursue a career, etc. Do they regret it? I'm not making any judgements here btw. I don't care how people live, so long as they don't hurt anyone. I'm just curious as to what kind of life makes you happy.

Based on my own observations, I think what counts is authenticity – living the life you truly want to live, and not the life you feel you ought to live. For example, I know people who really wanted kids, had them, and are very happy. I also know people who didn't want kids, didn't have them, and are glad they didn't. It's the people who cave into pressure and pursue a career to please their parents, or have kids because their friends are all having them, who seem to be miserable. It's the same with socializing. I know introverts who have very few friends and would never set foot in a pub. Yet they seem perfectly happy, much happier than they would be if they forced themselves to socialize in order to 'be normal'.

I suppose the core problem is money. Even if you don't care what other people think of you, and are determined to live your life your way, you've still got to find somewhere to live. And no one wants to live in a crappy, run down neighborhood surrounded by noisy 'problem families'.

I guess it also comes down to why you've 'dropped out' – especially if it's to pursue a passion. I know of two young men in their late 20s who live at home and play video games all day. Neither seem very happy. But I also know a guy in his 30s who has never had a 'proper' job or a serious relationship. Unlike the gamers, however, he does seem happy. But that's because he's pursuing his passion for music. He belongs to a band, writes songs etc. My cousin is similar. He's nearly 40, childless, unmarried and semi living at home. But he's got two MAs and is planning to do a PhD in philosophy. He's often said he'd go mad if he had to work in an office. Instead, he spends his days reading and does low stress, casual jobs to get by. He's a sort of 'eternal student'. Again, he seems very happy.

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talomon · 17/12/2022 17:27

Yes and no. It could be that people are living authentically and making informed choices, or on the other hand they could be those that have extreme personality issues or mental health problems. This is true even if they have money. There are also those that would have wanted to have a normal life, but couldn't, for any reason.

But I do believe deviating from the conventional path too much, especially if you end up not being a contributing member to the society (by having a career, children, artistic outputs, caring responsibilities etc), makes you an outcast. Rejecting one or two components of the adult path is fine, reject more, and you will be a misfit.

Oblomov22 · 17/12/2022 17:36

Eh? I'm quite standard, according to your 7 list. But happy. And I'm authentic too. What makes you assume that those who have done the 7 list above, aren't?

Ted27 · 17/12/2022 18:00

Your list is a bit narrow.
I have none of those things in the way you describe them, but I could hardly be described as a drop out
I've never married and don't intend to.

I have an adopted son
I don't do social media
I am highly educated, I've always been in employment apart from a 2 year career break when I was 40.
I have a decent civil service job so will have an ok pension but had no interest in chasing promotions
I don't go to the pub, either to drink or talk about my job
I do have breakfast with my friends every Friday and we talk endlessly about our kids but that's because all our kids have autism/adhd and other conditions.
I have stayed in second house - a Victorian terrace - I've never felt the need for anything 'better' its big enough, great location. So mortgage paid off and I'm not worried about how I'm going to heat my huge detached house this winter. ( I confess I would like a utility room)

JamSandle · 17/12/2022 18:05

I think as you say it's about living an authentic life. No life is perfect and most people don't get everything they want ot expect. But you have to turn up in life and try to go after what you want. And if you don't know what you want? Just experience life.

I don't really think there's such a thing as failing at life, although there are certain choices make that are fairly life ending. But if we are all here to experience life then whatever our experience is, that's what we're doing.

CarolineHelston · 17/12/2022 18:08

I think some people have less need for consumer goods. I've got a decent roof over my head. My partner and I have a car. But I'm just not interested in luxury holidays, the latest phones etc. I'd also rather have more time and a slightly more modest standard of living. Less status and more freedom. Things that are cheap and/or free - walking, library books, second-hand stuff, mending/recycling - give me a great deal of happiness. Not wildly uncoventional but not especially conformist either.

JamSandle · 17/12/2022 18:11

I'd say so far I've lived unconventionally but not really on purpose. It's the way I wanted to live. As I grow older I may become more conventional in some ways or less so. It's hard to say. We must all try to live in the way that makes us happy or brings us purpose. There is no one way to do life.

C102 · 17/12/2022 18:15

Is it really that unconventional to not have kids? 1 in 5 don't...

JamSandle · 17/12/2022 18:18

C102 · 17/12/2022 18:15

Is it really that unconventional to not have kids? 1 in 5 don't...

Historically moreso than now and I'd argue in most of the world it still carries judgement and stigma.

That said there are so many reasons why people either don't want or can't have children.

PlaitBilledDuckyPuss · 17/12/2022 18:21

By your scale I would be moderately unconventional:

  • You marry, invite all your friends, and put the photos on social media.
No, small wedding and not on SM.
  • You get some qualifications, use them to get a job, then build a career, working your way up the ladder.
Yes.
  • You buy a small starter home with your partner, then save for something better.
Bought in my own name but otherwise yes.
  • You have a couple of kids.
Childfree by choice
  • You have a group of friends and various social media accounts, through which you 'share your journey' through life (or, if you prefer, 'compete and show off').
No, don't use social media and don't have enough friends to be called a group.
  • You belong to the community, getting to know the neighbours, joining the Parish Council, going to the local pub, etc, where you talk about your kids and your career.
None of those.
  • You retire and enjoy your grandchildren.
No children = no grandchildren.

Am I happy? Not very. Depressed and anxious most of the time Sad

MargaretMead · 17/12/2022 18:35

I’ve always done my own thing, but to enable this, you do have to play the game unless you are from a wealthy background. I am not materialistic at all, but I climbed the career ladder as high as I could to make as much money as possible. As soon as I had made enough to pay off my mortgage and a financial nest egg, I quit, freeing me to spend my time as I really want. Whilst I was working I know I was seen as unconventional because I didn’t buy a fancy car or any of the other trapping that go with a six figure income. It was because I was counting down the days to freedom.

alwayscheery · 17/12/2022 18:38

MargaretMead · 17/12/2022 18:35

I’ve always done my own thing, but to enable this, you do have to play the game unless you are from a wealthy background. I am not materialistic at all, but I climbed the career ladder as high as I could to make as much money as possible. As soon as I had made enough to pay off my mortgage and a financial nest egg, I quit, freeing me to spend my time as I really want. Whilst I was working I know I was seen as unconventional because I didn’t buy a fancy car or any of the other trapping that go with a six figure income. It was because I was counting down the days to freedom.

I love idea, how do you choose to live your life now you have choices?

FellPuck · 17/12/2022 18:44

I think you're right in saying that the key thing is to be living the kind of life you want to live - whether that is conventional or otherwise.

I think the problem is that a lot of people don't even realise that other options exist outside of the standard LifeScript of partner-marriage-house-kids-annual holidays etc. or are too fearful of the consequences (even if they are as simple as social pressure; being viewed as 'unconventional' is intolerable for some people) to ever colour outside of the lines.

Dreamsoffreedomjoyandpeace · 17/12/2022 18:48

It’s very very difficult to live an unconventional life in this country. Unless you do what the above poster did and plan how you’re going to make your escape very carefully. Most of us don’t realise that we are going to lose our freedom to a crappy job until it’s too late.

I’d love to do vanlife or tiny house living but it’s very difficult or virtually impossible (respectively) in the uk.

Blanketenvy · 17/12/2022 18:53

I've not done most of the things on your list. No kids, marriage or mortgage, don't really use social media. I do have a career type job, but haven't been able to make the most of it and work part time due to health issues.
I think for me I'm not particularly happy or content and am constantly comparing myself unfavourably to other people but that's because a lot of these things weren't a choices for me and have been the result of health problems getting in the way.

Anewhoo · 17/12/2022 18:57

I would say half of you list it quite ‘unconventional’. I don’t really know anyone who has done all of those things. I’m pretty mainstream myself! You seem to be a bit obsessed with social media though?

Merlott · 17/12/2022 19:03

You can get married, have a career and have kids, buy a house without being "conventional" 😂

Why are you asking? Are you feeling sad about your life? Do you have dreams you're not wanting to give up on?

I will say "conventional " to me means no hobbies except maybe cleaning, gossiping and drinking...!

Sindonym · 17/12/2022 19:07

I think it’s about living your life in accordance with your values. I have been fortunate enough to be able to do that. Would be miserable if I couldn’t.

piper678 · 17/12/2022 19:13

I think a lot of people are happy with the conventional life. A lot of people aren't, but they go too far down the path and have responsibilities (mortgage/partner/kids) and then don't feel they can do anything to change it

Anewhoo · 17/12/2022 19:18

I see unconventional as living off grid. Maybe living in a commune, no fixed partner, a community of friends and lovers. My mum thought I was unconventional because I dyed my blonde hair black and listened to heavy metal in my teens!! It’s very subjective!

JamSandle · 17/12/2022 19:19

Anewhoo · 17/12/2022 19:18

I see unconventional as living off grid. Maybe living in a commune, no fixed partner, a community of friends and lovers. My mum thought I was unconventional because I dyed my blonde hair black and listened to heavy metal in my teens!! It’s very subjective!

Yes I'd agree. Our perception of conventional is very variable from person to person.

squigglesquirrel · 17/12/2022 19:29

We are buying a house comparatively late in life after some past financial struggles and have no kids due to health issues.

This thread feels pretty smug and goady tbh.

squigglesquirrel · 17/12/2022 19:30

But hey nice to feel like people think I don’t have a normal life…

JamSandle · 17/12/2022 19:33

squigglesquirrel · 17/12/2022 19:29

We are buying a house comparatively late in life after some past financial struggles and have no kids due to health issues.

This thread feels pretty smug and goady tbh.

To be fair the OP said those who choose an unconventional life. Not all of us are able to choose one way or the other.

beachcomber70 · 17/12/2022 19:35

I'm pretty unconventional in that I've only ever worked part time, my choice. So in my late 20's and as a single mother [with money from my share of the house sale upon my divorce] I first bought a very modest house needing cosmetic work, at a good price. I've gone on to refurbish others since then from top to bottom in the free time I've had...making a profit and moving up a notch each time. I change doors, decorate throughout, redesign the gardens, put in basic kitchens and bathrooms, tiling. woodwork etc. I got rid of my mortgage when I was 39.

I buy and repurpose second hand furniture, only buy real wood items though...no chipboard or MDF, and repaint, wax etc. I chose not to pursue a career as time and less stress/pressure was more valuable [vital] to me. I chose to share my life with another woman...very single now though.

I am not materialistic, I don't have central heating [have log burner] I do not own a smart phone, I do not use social media just keep in touch with an old friend by e mails. I've been abroad but not interested now, UK breaks are just fine, I am not very sociable at all, very happy with my own company. As long as I can walk in green spaces, read my books, see my family, do gardening and have my own home I'm more than happy with my choices. I chose time over money/income and it was right for me. For me life is better when it is simple. It wouldn't suit a lot of people.

StarDolphins · 17/12/2022 19:40

All my friends are conventional, most have done a mixture or all of the things in your list.

i find the happiest are the confident, (quietly!) self assured ones. conventional/alternative doesn’t seem to have anything to do with happiness in my group. Regardless of your life choices, I think insecurity or security in yourself is the root of happiness or unhappiness.