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Are unconventional people happier?

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JoonT · 17/12/2022 16:55

Do you think people who reject 'normal' life are more, or less, happy than the average person?

I guess a conventional life would be something like this:

  1. You marry, invite all your friends, and put the photos on social media.
  2. You get some qualifications, use them to get a job, then build a career, working your way up the ladder.
  3. You buy a small starter home with your partner, then save for something better.
  4. You have a couple of kids.
  5. You have a group of friends and various social media accounts, through which you 'share your journey' through life (or, if you prefer, 'compete and show off').
  6. You belong to the community, getting to know the neighbours, joining the Parish Council, going to the local pub, etc, where you talk about your kids and your career.
  7. You retire and enjoy your grandchildren.

(OK, OK, not everyone passes through those exact stages. And you don't need to tick every box to be conventional.)

How about people who reject that sort of life? I mean people who choose not to have kids, not to take on a mortgage, not to pursue a career, etc. Do they regret it? I'm not making any judgements here btw. I don't care how people live, so long as they don't hurt anyone. I'm just curious as to what kind of life makes you happy.

Based on my own observations, I think what counts is authenticity – living the life you truly want to live, and not the life you feel you ought to live. For example, I know people who really wanted kids, had them, and are very happy. I also know people who didn't want kids, didn't have them, and are glad they didn't. It's the people who cave into pressure and pursue a career to please their parents, or have kids because their friends are all having them, who seem to be miserable. It's the same with socializing. I know introverts who have very few friends and would never set foot in a pub. Yet they seem perfectly happy, much happier than they would be if they forced themselves to socialize in order to 'be normal'.

I suppose the core problem is money. Even if you don't care what other people think of you, and are determined to live your life your way, you've still got to find somewhere to live. And no one wants to live in a crappy, run down neighborhood surrounded by noisy 'problem families'.

I guess it also comes down to why you've 'dropped out' – especially if it's to pursue a passion. I know of two young men in their late 20s who live at home and play video games all day. Neither seem very happy. But I also know a guy in his 30s who has never had a 'proper' job or a serious relationship. Unlike the gamers, however, he does seem happy. But that's because he's pursuing his passion for music. He belongs to a band, writes songs etc. My cousin is similar. He's nearly 40, childless, unmarried and semi living at home. But he's got two MAs and is planning to do a PhD in philosophy. He's often said he'd go mad if he had to work in an office. Instead, he spends his days reading and does low stress, casual jobs to get by. He's a sort of 'eternal student'. Again, he seems very happy.

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HeddaGarbled · 17/12/2022 19:41

I think you’ve been watching too many 70’s sitcoms. How arrogant & patronising to say that married people with careers only talk about their children & careers.

Frostyfield · 17/12/2022 19:43

I was pretty unconventional until my mid thirties. I’m much happier now but I do sometimes still miss my ‘old’ life.

littleburn · 17/12/2022 19:48

I have an ex who pretty much bases his whole personality on being unconventional. He has an absolute horror of settling down, be it with a person, a job or place. But I wouldn't say it makes him happy as he never is happy!!

He's heading towards his mid 30s with very little to show for other than a lot of temporary, low paid jobs (by choice, to keep his 'freedom'), surrounded by friends and peers with good careers who are buying homes and starting families. I think he feels very adrift, but that just makes him double down even more on his 'I'm very different and special/I'm not a sheep' narrative. I guess it's being unconventional without any particular purpose other than not conforming. But yeah, what looks rebellious and romantic at 20 starts to look a bit sad at 35.

pinneddownbytabbies · 17/12/2022 19:49

I don't put anything on social media, no photos, nothing. Never felt the need to 'share' my life online like that. I know people my generation who do, and good for them, but I don't do it. Can't be bothered.

ScarlettOHaraHamiltonKennedyButler · 17/12/2022 19:55

People can be happy regardless of what kind of life they lead as long as they have choices and that is what I want most for my DC, choices and opportunities to make the best life they can for themselves, however it may look.

IMO it's the people who shout the loudest about how happy they are that are the most unhappy. People who have to show off their 'perfect' families/houses etc. or those who are so loudly 'alternative' in every way that all they can ever talk about is how unconventional they are. I know both types irl along with people who quietly get on with their lovely lives, be it conventional or unconventional, and they seem the happiest.

HotChoxs · 17/12/2022 19:56

Depends on what you define as 'unconventional', definitley not happier. Some are more insightful depending on which path of unconventional they are on . Really everything great has come from unconventional people though, music, science, innovation et.

I don't think anyone chooses unconventional, it just sort of happens.

thelobsterquadrille · 17/12/2022 19:56

Well, according to your list I'm pretty unconventional.

1 - DH and I had a tiny wedding with just our parents. We didn't even have a photographer or a cake,
2 - I have qualifications, DH has none. My qualifications are nothing to do with what I do for a living.
3 - we live in our starter home and have no plans to move, we're just doing it up to suit our wants/needs.
4 - no kids and no plans to have any.
5 - no friendship group as such.
6 - I don't join in with any community events or go to "the local".
7 - no kids, so there won't be any grandchildren either.

I feel pretty normal though. I'm married, own my home and run a business. DH is also self-employed and we both have a couple of expensive hobbies. We have animals and like to travel/hike.

I'm also very happy.

SeveruslyFrazzled · 17/12/2022 20:11

Not sure your that’s as unconventional as you think OP.

MargaretMead · 17/12/2022 20:19

@alwayscheery I work part time for a charity I co-founded. I could not have afforded to do it with a mortgage or rent to pay. I take myself off budget travelling and do home swaps during quiet times. I didn’t mean my answer to @JoonT ’s question to be smug or to offend anyone, I have had problems to deal with along the way too and my life is not perfect.

I agree also that ‘unconventional’ is subjective and can change. Off grid now feels sensible provided you have enough solar panels for your power needs etc - imagine freedom of energy companies and their price hikes…

Berlinlover · 17/12/2022 20:24

I don’t have kids. I inherited a house so don’t have a mortgage. I work in a supermarket so don’t have a career. Travel is my obsession though, I go abroad at least 8 times a year.

Luredbyapomegranate · 17/12/2022 20:37

I think your definition of conventional is v narrow. If that’s the only choice, then yes I imagine lots of people are happier outside it. But I don’t think it is the only standard choice.

Heatherbell1978 · 18/12/2022 07:51

So, I've done most things in your list - well I'm in my 40s with two young DC so in that stage. I think I lead a conventional life but also I'm authentic. I'm friends with those like me and my hobbies reflect me etc. I do have a very unconventional friend. Same age, private school educated but has never worked as she's lived off family money. She 'works' in festivals occasionally. Single, makes her own clothes, drives a beaten up car, so a very frugal life despite the family assets. She's not happy and one of the reasons is she's kind of an outcast. I see her but I work full time and I'm rushing around with kids etc so our lives are very different. It's hard to relate sometimes as well as our problems are very different. I don't think there's anything stopping people from living this unconventional life but they'd kind of need to accept that it's different to the norm.

Pictograph · 18/12/2022 07:56

I have a conventional life (marriage, kids, house, job) and I'm very happy.

I think your OP comes across as a bit sneery and judgemental, especially the comments about social media.

Draconis · 18/12/2022 08:00

I guess I was unconventional when I didn't have kids and I wasn't happy because I did want them.
Now I'm 'conventional' and kids later on in life and I'm happy.
I've done most of the things on your list though I'm not a social media user for sharing my life or part of a community.
Those I know who have an unconventional life didn't choose it so aren't happy.
Choosing it could have a different outcome.

barmycatmum · 18/12/2022 08:00

By your list, I am extremely unconventional, and I’m also very happy.

not married, no children, and I’m not an “outcast.” (That one made me laugh)
i have friends from hobbies, travel, and education throughout the years - and I do just keep learning.

I have my down moments & mental health struggles from time to time, but I think the struggle would be far worse had I done what was expected of women - married and had children. Shudder.

I love kids, and I work well with them- but I feel I was put here on this planet to help them feel seen, heard, and validated, not raise them as their parent.

yes, I am very happy - I value my freedom greatly.

Boomboom22 · 18/12/2022 08:15

In this postmodern world the life course has been destandardised. Cohabitation instead of marriage, choice to be child free, ivf available to single people, also adoption since 2010 for single or gay couples. Very little stigma about divorce means serial monogamy is common. Blended families are common. Many get qualifications as a mature student or through work. Careers are not life long or if they are it's in more than one job or company. Career changes or retraining is quite normal. You can choose to work past retirement age, mick jagger has a 5yr old at 80 with a 35 year old etc.
Good health until 75 or even 80s means retirement can be very active.

LolaMoon · 18/12/2022 08:27

Actually, research has shown that participation in community activities lengthens your life and isolation/loneliness shortens it. A very interesting study by Birmingham University showed that going to church for example reduced your risk of Parkinsons disease by a staggering 90% - they theorised that regular worship increases brain levels of dopamine which is the neurotransmitter lacking in Parkinsons pathology. Therefore, I dont see this as being about conventional/unconventional (and that definition will vary from person to person) - I think happiness is a combination of various psycho/social factors which can occur in both conventional or unconventional lifestyles. Similarly, unhappiness and depression is a complex interplay of genetics and environment and how they trigger or support each other. Epigenetics has taught us that protective environments can actually prevent harmful genes from switching on.

WandaWonder · 18/12/2022 08:33

To me there is the way people actually are themselves

And how other people think they

This forum is an example, how many long drawn out stories do people put on people op's know like ex-partners in laws, new partners, work colleagues, siblings, colleagues etc. About people they have never met

Your MIL gave you a packet of biscuits so this means she is conspiracy with her daughter to make you homeless type thing

JoonT · 18/12/2022 10:55

HeddaGarbled · 17/12/2022 19:41

I think you’ve been watching too many 70’s sitcoms. How arrogant & patronising to say that married people with careers only talk about their children & careers.

Jesus this forum is unbelievable. It doesn't matter what you write, you can guarantee at least one nasty, vicious little reply. Why bother to reply at all if that's how you feel? You've just gone through my post and picked out anything you can use as the basis of an attack. It's perfectly obvious from what I've written that I don't think everyone who is married and has a career talks about nothing else. I was merely sketching out an average life. In general, people with kids and a career do talk about those things. I didn't say there was anything wrong with it. It's perfectly natural to talk about your children and your career.

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SirMingeALot · 18/12/2022 11:08

No, I think people who are living the life they want are happier. However, it's more likely that a person will 'default' into some setups than others.

Anewhoo · 18/12/2022 11:10

JoonT · 18/12/2022 10:55

Jesus this forum is unbelievable. It doesn't matter what you write, you can guarantee at least one nasty, vicious little reply. Why bother to reply at all if that's how you feel? You've just gone through my post and picked out anything you can use as the basis of an attack. It's perfectly obvious from what I've written that I don't think everyone who is married and has a career talks about nothing else. I was merely sketching out an average life. In general, people with kids and a career do talk about those things. I didn't say there was anything wrong with it. It's perfectly natural to talk about your children and your career.

Woah! I don’t think that poster you quoted is coming out as the nasty and vicious one here!! You sound very angry. Are you upset you haven’t done the things you’ve quoted?

LindaEllen · 18/12/2022 11:23

I think people who are happiest are those who do what they want to do, rather than what society dictates. Obviously there are limits to that, i.e. if you have the urge to murder people you probably shouldn't.

Wonnle · 18/12/2022 11:45

Well on your list of 1-7 i'm none of them !

Mysticguru · 18/12/2022 13:54

Perhaps it isn't an unconventional life that makes people happy but an unconventional way of being

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