Has anyone been to the Louvre with under 25s since brexit?

[RJnomore1]

I’m wondering if it’s still free access as we are still in the EEA but I can’t work it out! Help!

I think @Clavinova has a point, to be fair.
I did not vote for Brexit and I wish it had never happened- but the constant sneering comments directed at ‘Brexiteers’ are tiresome & unhelpful.

I think it is likely that the majority of under-25s visiting the Louvre, Musée d'Orsay etc will be middle class - and equally, that there are many, many young people from the working class who never made use of - or related to - many the benefits conferred by our EU membership. This, I suspect, is rather at the heart of why Brexit happened in the first place. Whole swathes of the population who felt left behind and excluded from the culture affluence enjoyed by a minority.

So you're saying that because some people didn't want it, nobody should? 1) I think middle class kids deserve opportunities too 2) you have a very low opinion of working class kids if you think none of them want to do anything cultural. It's really sad imo that faced with an attempt to make cultural heritage available to ALL some people seem to be saying it's better that it's not available at all because....reverse snobbism? I don't get it.

Whole swathes of the population who felt left behind and excluded from the culture affluence enjoyed by a minority.
So let's take away their opportunities to enjoy that culture too? I mean...why?

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The journalist says he saved over €100 but he could have purchased a 4 day museum pass for €66, or another type of tourist pass including other attractions. Visiting Musee d'Orsay, Musee de l'Armee and Versailles in one day is definitely overkill - he arrived at Versailles after 3pm in February;

On the first Sunday of every month from November to March, the entire estate, including the Palace of Versailles and the Estate of Trianon, is open free of charge to all.

www.parismuseumpass.fr/t-en

en.chateauversailles.fr/plan-your-visit/conditions-free-admission#free-admission

There's a bit of a generalisation and a whole lot of assumptions about 'working class' people living lives of a cultural desert.

The EU's programmes made this affordable for more, now opportunities are the province of the more affluent. Which for a long time has been a small % of the population. My daughter could have done erasmus to get her good French to fluent and given her the experience to widen her career options. This is now unaffordable.

So let's take away their opportunities to enjoy that culture too? I mean...why?

Thats not what I said. I pointed out that I personally think Brexit was a mistake and a disaster.

But I also think it is fair to admit that it is middle class people who benefited most from these types of advantages. It’s not a value judgement- just an observation based on plenty of experience

So? What's that got yo do with anything? The fact is pre-Brexit he didn't have to pay, now he would. Your mental gymnastics trying to point out that actually that's a good thing is rather bizarre.

There's a bit of a generalisation and a whole lot of assumptions about 'working class' people living lives of a cultural desert

This. As a working class person brought up with regular visits to libraries, museums and national trust type places I find this sort of assumption infuriating.

It seems to stem from middle class people viewing us all as track suit clad yobs who spend our leisure time pinging between watching reality TV and getting pissed in Benidorm, rather than taking part in the same activities as they do.

You claim to not see WC people at museums and country parks but that's because you're assuming that the people at these places must be middle class.

I think making this a class thing is rather strange. What does class even mean anymore? In any case, the offer was intended to help all young people. Taking it away harms all young people.

You claim to not see WC people at museums and country parks but that's because you're assuming that the people at these places must be middle class.
Very true. Am I middle class or working class? My mum's family is WC, my dad's MC. I like going to museums - which some people seem to think makes you MC - no wonder there are no WC people in museums - they get gentrified! 😂

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I think that, equally, there are other consequences of Brexit that affect different socio-economic / job / interest / geographical groups, and it is perfectly right to recognise that those consequences are real even though they are not universal. I can recognise and be concerned that current issues exist with Northern Ireland and the Good Friday Agreement even though I am not Northern Irish, for example.

One of the issues that is always identified when talking about barriers that exist fir sone groups in accessing the most selective schools, universities and jobs is ‘cultural capital’. If we set things up so that it becomes even more difficult and expensive to access ‘cultural capital’, then we are perpetuating entrenched privilege and entrenched disadvantage. Yes, making access to cultural sites free benefits those who would have accessed them anyway. However, it also removes a barrier to those who would not necessarily have accessed them and in a small and incremental way can contribute to social mobility over time.

Clavinova, upthread, has identified my dd as privileged and MC. Her great grandparents were, with one exception, working class, and on my side, mainly from deeply impoverished backgrounds, with lifelong disability from polio added into the mix. What enabled the move, in her grandparents’ generation, to what we would identify as middle class? Free access to good education and culture, including warm municipal libraries for homework, municipal museums and art galleries, and full grants for uniform, school transport and university. What enables that seismic move up the socio-economic scale for families nowadays?

Christ almighty this kicked off

Certainly did!

I'd forgotten what your original post was asking by the time I'd read to the end...

Eh? I don't get the relevance of Chinese raw material buying. It just sounds like an extremely tenuous and random reach to justify yet another crap expensive outcome of Brexit.

I’d forgotten it was my thread 😳