Has anyone been to the Louvre with under 25s since brexit?

[RJnomore1]

I’m wondering if it’s still free access as we are still in the EEA but I can’t work it out! Help!

DD is 20 and visited the Louvre this summer. She went with her Irish friend, they both got in free, and were asked to show their student cards, rather than passports. Not sure if that helps much!

We went a few weeks ago, definitely free for under 18s.
€17 per adult

Delabruche
What a nasty personal attack

How is my post a nasty personal attack?

cantkeepawayforever posted this;

Thanks, Brexiteers.

So? That's not personal.

Delabruche
So? That's not personal

My post wasn't nasty or an attack.

cantkeepawayforever
Tax free souvenir shopping just wasn’t on her horizon

It's not limited to souvenirs - why wouldn't 18 - 25 year olds in work not be interested?

Clavinova - why are you obsessed with trying to convince us that Brexit is brilliant? No one's buying it. Can't you even concede this one point without telling us we should be grateful for the shopping opportunities? My ds went interrailing last summer. He didn't buy anything but he did visit lots of museums - for free. I don't think he's the only one.

Delabruche
why are you obsessed with trying to convince us that Brexit is brilliant?

I wasn't - the op was quite clearly unaware of a particular 'Brexit benefit'.

My ds went interrailing last summer. He didn't buy anything but he did visit lots of museums - for free. I don't think he's the only one

Probably not, but I would argue that more young people visited Disneyland Paris (for example) or the Costa del Sol during the 8 year period between the ages of 18 and 25.

I wasn't - the op was quite clearly unaware of a particular 'Brexit benefit'.

What on earth makes you think that the OP was 'clearly unaware of the fact that we can claim tax on retail spends in Europe? Why do you think that this cancels out the cost of the museum to teenagers & young people who want to visit such places?

`The fact that you believe more 18-25 year olds visit places other that museums doesn't make it a less of a loss for the ones that do cultural trips fgs.

It is perfectly possible for you to be pro -brexit and still concede that some people who didn't want Brexit in the first place might be peeved that our teens and young adults are loosing a benefit they used to enjoy.

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@cantkeepawayforever because plenty of uk youngsters won't be able to study or visit abroad at all as they won't have the funds or even the travel fare
People that moan about these free things being taken away just don't get that for a vast vast majority of people this won't affect them at all

lifeturnsonadime
What on earth makes you think that the OP was 'clearly unaware of the fact that we can claim tax on retail spends in Europe?

This?
op - "oh well at least we get blue passports (made in france)…"

Why do you think that this cancels out the cost of the museum to teenagers & young people who want to visit such places?

The op only mentioned one art gallery! Why do you think museum trips for (mostly) middle class young people cancels out low wages and lack of training opportunities for working class young people?

Sir Keir Starmer has warned business leaders that the days of “low pay and cheap labour” must end as he tells them to train up UK workers to wean Britain off its “immigration dependency”.

www.itv.com/news/2022-11-22/sir-keir-starmer-to-warn-businesses-days-of-low-pay-and-cheap-labour-must-end

People that moan about these free things being taken away just don't get that for a vast vast majority of people this won't affect them at all

Again the fact that this doesn't affect people who don't travel, for whatever reason, or who don't enjoy cultural visits doesn't invalidate the point that those who are 'moaning' are making.

Before Brexit our young people had more opportunities in Europe.

This?
op - "oh well at least we get blue passports (made in france)…"

That's the kind of flippant comment I might make, whilst still being perfectly aware of the position on tax.

I think you are completely deluded if you believe that young people such as the OPs child will have higher wages and more training opportunities as a result of Brexit. Not to mention that even if they did the OP was simply pointing out that this was something YP could do before for free and now can't and simply pointing out that it was as a direct result of Brexit which is completely and utterly true!

Before Brexit our young people had more opportunities in Europe

I visited the Louvre when I was aged 25 - the tickets weren't free then either - it didn't stop me. I recognise that more young people my age probably went to the beach though.

Well I studied in France for a year on the Erasmus scheme and I can tell you I made lots of cultural visits for free as an under 25 in the 90s.

Clavinova I really get that you are pro- brexit but your inability to allow anyone to complain that there are negative effects for some young people is frankly bizarre and comes across as over defensive.

I was a remainer but you won't find me on the Brexit threads moaning now. I hope that as a country we CAN make the best out of it just as much as you do.

But popping on to EVERY thread and saying you can't complain about x because y is just overkill.

Some people will personally miss out and have the right to complain about it whether you like it or not.

I was in Paris in July and whilst I did not visit the Louvre, any museum with free or reduced prices for under 25s did not apply to the UK.

Another thing not on the side of a bus.

I apologise, I didn’t make it clear that my post wasn’t Louvre-specific. Dd found that pretty much every museum / art gallery / notable building on her study-related itinerary provided for her less favourably now than pre-Brexit.

I do also recognise that family background / culture / upbringing / education makes a difference when it comes to preferred activities when travelling - and that DD’s interests are not ‘mainstream’. By introducing the personal I fear I have weakened my own point.

To be more general - when visiting Paris pre-Brexit, an 18-25 year old had the choice to visit the Louvre and many many other places of cultural interest free. Whether this was for 5 minutes, 35 minutes or 5 hours, this opportunity to explore an iconic building and its contents was available, and this made a small but incremental difference to ‘international cultural capital’ for those young people, some of whom might originally just have been escaping from the heat or rain. By making this an expensive event, something is lost for British youngsters compared to their still EEA continental peers.

Clavinova when was that? Did you have to pay University fees as well?

One of the things that makes me so incensed is the damage Brexit has caused to young people. As a parent you hope their lives will be better.

And to say ‘it’s ok, you can get tax off your shopping, which balances it out’ is a rather bizarre riposte. It might - for some - just about balance monetarily, but I am not sure that the benefit to the individual and society of the world’s great museums is well -measured by their entry price.

I get the point entirely that this is not an issue for many. My personal view is that Brexit has caused any number of these ‘issues that affect a subset of society’, perhaps to a greater extent than ‘issues that affect everyone universally’. A heap of small stones weighs in the balance as much as a very few large rocks, and certainly I am not personally aware if anyone whose ‘current individual collection of small Brexit disadvantages’ is in any way balanced out by the publicised ‘current Brexit advantages’.

lifeturnsonadime
Well I studied in France for a year on the Erasmus scheme and I can tell you I made lots of cultural visits for free as an under 25 in the 90s.

Free access to museums was not introduced to the rest of the EU until 2009, so probably not as early as the 1990s in France? Perhaps you visited at certain times of the week/month or had a student pass?

03 August 2009
Free access to museums for all young people resident in the EU.
Following objections regarding discrimination from the organisation, SOS Racisme, the measure in France giving free access to museums for young Europeans under 26 years of age has been extended to all people under 26 who are resident in the European Union, regardless of their nationality.

(NB I can't read the linked article in the EU link below);
ec.europa.eu/migrant-integration/news/free-access-museums-all-young-people-resident-eu-0_en

The free access is for EU residents so if you were a UK student residing in France now you would still be eligible?

One of the objectives of the EU is to encourage young people to travel (there is an annual allowance of interrail passes available for free for 18 year olds) and to spread cultural knowledge by offering free entrance to art galleries and museums. All of this is in the spirit of fostering greater cross-cultural understanding. You might say that this is a middle-class thing but I think it is actually an admirable aim. Young people are often excluded from special offers once they reach 18 yet they can't afford to pay full price. Tax-free shopping is not the same. Not even close.

lifeturnsonadime
But popping on to EVERY thread

I don't think I have posted on the specific Brexit board for perhaps a year now.

An overview of everything under 25s used to be able to see for free in Paris....
www.standard.co.uk/escapist/travel/how-to-get-free-entry-into-paris-museums-a4073966.html

That list isn’t exhaustive (some of DD’s visits were more niche), but the point is well-made.