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Scary school Mum

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TakesAllSorts · 18/11/2022 18:23

Hi, I take the bus to school with my children.
There is often another mother and child from the same school on the bus. I gave up saying good morning a while ago, because she ignored me each time, so now we pretend we don't know each other.

There have been a few strange incidents on the bus, one ended with the mother whispering to the child and abruptly dragging her away from the seat beside us. Very obviously directed at us.
There has been nothing for a while, just a bit of turning and staring at us and quickly turning back, by the Mother. All very uncomfortable, but it's public transport, so we have to share it!

Today, when I went to pick up, I was a bit early and there was noone around. She walked up very quickly behind me out of nowhere, and then in front of me, cutting me off. She seemed angry. I was taken aback so just passed her and walked further up to the next gate. After a few minutes, she came up and stood in front of me, uncomfortably close and started to turn and glare at me on and off. She was kind of muttering, but I could feel absolute rage/hatred from her.

Other parents arrived, and the children came out.
Her child came out, and was obviously expecting to go on a playmate with another child. They were holding hands and had swapped scarves. The mother grabbed her child, took the scarf off and threw it at the other child. She was dragging her at this point and the child began to cry because she was meant to be going on a playmate. The other child's mother was calling after her 'hey what about the playdate' .At this point she had picked up the child who was now screaming and was actually running down the road. People were kind of a bit dumbfounded.

I am as sure as you can be, that this was as a result of me being there. It felt directed at me.
It is obvious to me now, that she is mentally ill, and I am completely unnerved by the situation, and now don't feel she is so harmless.
I don't know what has made her take this view of me, but she has obviously demonised me, and I'm a little scared of what could happen next.

I don't know what to do. Should I say something to her like 'have I offended you, you seem quite upset with me?', or would that antagonise her?
If she is fixated on me, should I be worried?
I really want to me tell my Mum friends, but I don't want to seem like I'm gossiping about her, because she is obviously not well, but I also feel like if it's escalating I should probably tell someone?

Thank you for reading!

OP posts:
ArrowNorth · 18/11/2022 19:18

Definitely contact the school, and pass it over - it sounds like paranoia.

WonderingWanda · 18/11/2022 19:22

Email the school outlining what you've told us. Tell them you are just informing them from a safeguarding point of view as you feel her behaviour is unusual and a bit erratic. Our safeguarding lead always tells us that little snippets of information can help with the bigger picture. She may or may not be on school radar but from what you've said she does seem a little bizarre and that could be an issue for her daughter.

Greysanatomyfan · 18/11/2022 19:25

I think it’s a bit much to decide it’s all about you, which tells me you both have issues. Stay out. It’s not about you.

georgarina · 18/11/2022 19:32

Sounds like mental illness and paranoia. I would definitely go to the school about it because if that's the case the child will be in an unsafe situation.

FlamingBells · 18/11/2022 19:38

Report it to the school so they can monitor the daughter, it probably won't be the first time.

Irridescantshimmmer · 18/11/2022 19:40

She's completely unhinged.

It could be paranoia from drug use as she sounds completely posessed.

SliceOfCakeCupOfTea · 18/11/2022 19:48

I don't understand why people are saying don't approach her.
I'd absolutely ask her if I had offended her or what her issue with me was.

BirmaBrite · 18/11/2022 20:01

Is your child in the same class as her DD ? Could it be there was a falling out at some point in the past and she is bearing a grudge ?

Cantstandbullshit · 18/11/2022 20:10

TakesAllSorts · 18/11/2022 18:23

Hi, I take the bus to school with my children.
There is often another mother and child from the same school on the bus. I gave up saying good morning a while ago, because she ignored me each time, so now we pretend we don't know each other.

There have been a few strange incidents on the bus, one ended with the mother whispering to the child and abruptly dragging her away from the seat beside us. Very obviously directed at us.
There has been nothing for a while, just a bit of turning and staring at us and quickly turning back, by the Mother. All very uncomfortable, but it's public transport, so we have to share it!

Today, when I went to pick up, I was a bit early and there was noone around. She walked up very quickly behind me out of nowhere, and then in front of me, cutting me off. She seemed angry. I was taken aback so just passed her and walked further up to the next gate. After a few minutes, she came up and stood in front of me, uncomfortably close and started to turn and glare at me on and off. She was kind of muttering, but I could feel absolute rage/hatred from her.

Other parents arrived, and the children came out.
Her child came out, and was obviously expecting to go on a playmate with another child. They were holding hands and had swapped scarves. The mother grabbed her child, took the scarf off and threw it at the other child. She was dragging her at this point and the child began to cry because she was meant to be going on a playmate. The other child's mother was calling after her 'hey what about the playdate' .At this point she had picked up the child who was now screaming and was actually running down the road. People were kind of a bit dumbfounded.

I am as sure as you can be, that this was as a result of me being there. It felt directed at me.
It is obvious to me now, that she is mentally ill, and I am completely unnerved by the situation, and now don't feel she is so harmless.
I don't know what has made her take this view of me, but she has obviously demonised me, and I'm a little scared of what could happen next.

I don't know what to do. Should I say something to her like 'have I offended you, you seem quite upset with me?', or would that antagonise her?
If she is fixated on me, should I be worried?
I really want to me tell my Mum friends, but I don't want to seem like I'm gossiping about her, because she is obviously not well, but I also feel like if it's escalating I should probably tell someone?

Thank you for reading!

She sounds batshit crazy to me. At first as I was reading your post I was going to say maybe approach her after dropping the kids off at school one day and ask what’s wrong, but when I read the part where she was dragging her child away from the oaky date I concluded that she is crazy and you should just stay away from her.

Cantstandbullshit · 18/11/2022 20:11

And to add, if she approaches you or does anything in the future bring it up with the school so there is no situation where she claims you did this or that and no witness.

Glasscup · 18/11/2022 20:17

SliceOfCakeCupOfTea · 18/11/2022 19:48

I don't understand why people are saying don't approach her.
I'd absolutely ask her if I had offended her or what her issue with me was.

That will make her delusion 'real' though. Raising the intensity of her feeling. It's not like she's going to back down if she's driven by something beyond her control. Escalating could raise the possibility of her lashing out.

milkandchocolat · 18/11/2022 20:18

Are you sure it's about you? It sounds to me like she might have something bad going on in her life and it's spilling over? Just reminds me of how a school mum I know behaved and later I found out she was going through a difficult divorce.

Glasscup · 18/11/2022 20:19

Honestly op, this could end up with you having to move schools. I would play it very, very quietly. You don't want to escalate her behaviour by a degree because there will be no real way to stop it and you're screwed when your child notices. This is really quite serious.

georgarina · 18/11/2022 20:19

SliceOfCakeCupOfTea · 18/11/2022 19:48

I don't understand why people are saying don't approach her.
I'd absolutely ask her if I had offended her or what her issue with me was.

People are saying that because she's displaying signs of serious mental illness, so it could be dangerous for OP to approach her and could cause her behaviour to escalate

oakleaffy · 18/11/2022 20:29

@TakesAllSorts
Be careful of this woman-
I had a similar incident- A clearly “ Aggressive “ woman and her DC
She was extremely unpleasant and her “ Grudge” ( I’d never talked to this woman or her DC ) Her latent aggression lasted years.

The head teacher warned me to not interact with her on any level.
I ended up calling the police after an attack ( randomly)by her DC who had grown up a lot.

It appeared to beca sort of folie a deux between the mother and the DC.

I googled the name, and they aren’t strangers to wrongdoing , to put it mildly.

Best of luck.

oakleaffy · 18/11/2022 20:32

georgarina · 18/11/2022 20:19

People are saying that because she's displaying signs of serious mental illness, so it could be dangerous for OP to approach her and could cause her behaviour to escalate

Agree 100 percent.
Do not approach, speak to, or look at this woman or her child.
DO report to the Head teacher.
It’s very likely the Head will know that the woman is “ Best left well alone”.

scoobydoo1971 · 18/11/2022 20:34

No one knows what is going on with this woman. She maybe expressing atypical and aggressive behaviour as a result of mental health difficulties, domestic violence or a medical condition. You know it is not personal from what you have observed and sounds like she is acting up with lots of people. The most appropriate approach would be to contact the safeguarding lead at school and express your concerns. Teachers can ask the child about home life, and go from there. Most social services referrals come through schools for younger children.

oakleaffy · 18/11/2022 20:38

@TakesAllSorts Please trust your judgment on this.
If you are feeling uneasy, it’s for very good reason.

She has fixated on you for some reason, It happens, you are likely not her only “ Victim “

Do not try to talk to her.
It won’t help, and please tell the Head Teacher.

oakleaffy · 18/11/2022 20:48

TakesAllSorts · 18/11/2022 18:45

I do feel concern for the child. I have often looked at her and thought she'll need therapy in the future, but never felt she was in any physical danger. Sometimes she is sickly sweet to her and that are cuddling and giggling, other days she looks like she wishes she wasn't a mother.

Possible drug use. That can cause lovey dovey coochy coo then hard faced hostility.

You are probably a very perceptive person, with a good judgement.

The child’s life will definitely be affected by the mother’s hostile behaviour.

This kind of weirdness can last for years.
They seem to get off on irrational grudges and hostility.

BreatheAndFocus · 18/11/2022 21:11

Don’t approach her. Could you speak to the other mum (the playdate one) and tactfully try to find out more? It could be the scary mum has mentioned you to her. You’d then have a better idea of what was going on, eg if scary mum has accused you of something, or thinks you’re an ex’s sister, or whatever.

IAmAlreadyRegrettingMyGreyColourScheme · 18/11/2022 21:23

Please just email the school OP. These situations can escalate pretty quickly. If school are aware they will know the problem isn't you if she goes crazy at you in the playground.

TakesAllSorts · 18/11/2022 22:42

Thank you all for your advice.
Many of you mentioned paranoia, and that's what my gut is telling me it is. Hopefully if our paths stop crossing by taking different buses, and I continue not acknowledging anything it will pass.
I won't confront her, because I'm pretty sure that would result in her screaming venom at me,.
I will send the head a message, just for some kind of record, both for the child and myself, and I'd imagine someone else might mention what they saw today.
I won't chat to any other parent's about it, incase something would get back to her, and I imagine if she thought I was talking about her, it would make her 10x angrier at me!

OP posts:
oakleaffy · 19/11/2022 10:01

TakesAllSorts · 18/11/2022 22:42

Thank you all for your advice.
Many of you mentioned paranoia, and that's what my gut is telling me it is. Hopefully if our paths stop crossing by taking different buses, and I continue not acknowledging anything it will pass.
I won't confront her, because I'm pretty sure that would result in her screaming venom at me,.
I will send the head a message, just for some kind of record, both for the child and myself, and I'd imagine someone else might mention what they saw today.
I won't chat to any other parent's about it, incase something would get back to her, and I imagine if she thought I was talking about her, it would make her 10x angrier at me!

Sounds a really good plan.
I made the error of “ Engaging “ with the aggressive woman, it definitely made it worse.

I found out that she had caused trouble elsewhere, too .
It’s strange how they “Pick a target” to hang their grudges on.
Definitely don’t mention a word about this unsettling woman to any of the other mothers.

Always trust your instincts, if you get that unsettled feeling, it’s because she ( and probably in due course, the child) aren’t giving out a good “ Vibe”.

TheYearOfSmallThings · 19/11/2022 10:24

I agree, if you can slightly change your routine to avoid crossing paths, that would be a good idea. I wouldn't do it if she was just an arsehole, but she sounds very stressed and erratic.

Tell the school, then keep your distance.

SocialLite · 19/11/2022 10:45

Definitely contact the designated safeguarding lead at school. Something very worrying is going on here.