Need Advice On Vaping

[TheShellBeach]

Recently, DH decided to try to stop smoking and I ordered him a vape kit and juice online.
Four years ago we both had a different kit and both hated it - we found it made us choke. It so happened that I succeeded in giving up smoking using nicotine patches and DH tried, but was unsuccessful. Both of us were unimpressed with the vape kits and we threw them out eventually.
Now, DH asked me to buy another one so that he could have another go. I was wary because I remembered how we'd both felt when we used the previous ones. DH thought that vape kits had probably evolved after four years and I figured it was worth another go.
(They've certainly gone up in price, anyway).

I got him one which cost about £40 and some juice with 11 mg nicotine in it, which was a further £11.

He cannot cope with it at all. Same thing as before - it makes him choke.
Is he doing something wrong? Can anyone give us any advice about this?

It might not be salts though?- I'm vaping 10mg today which is standard nicotine ones, never used salts old school

Don't inhale it into your lungs. Suck and draw it out but hold it in your mouth and the back of the throat before exhaling.

Yes you can't tell if it's nic salts from the strength, you need to read the bottle.

Also nicotine strength is relative.

Someone said 11mg is really strong. It is if you vape at 50 or 100W. If you vape at 8 or 10W it really isn't, especially for a new vaper coming off 30/day.

OP, my advice to your husband would be to start with the disposables and find something tolerable, then get a proper kit once you know what you like.

@LangClegsInSpace definitely
I dropped to 10mg, and I vape at (very precise!) 11.5w
Sadly my fave tank has been discontinued so I need to find a replacement

@PeloFondo if you're in the uk, freebase nicotine doesn't come in 10mg. Freebase comes in 3mg, 6mg, 12mg, and 18mg. Salts come in 5mg, 10mg, 11mg, and 20mg. You can absolutely tell the type of nicotine based off the strength, that's why they do it that way..

I'm vaping it.. have done since before salts existed

https://www.triphammer.co.uk/shop/alleliquid/e-liquid/milk-biscuits/

Maybe that’s the case for many manufacturers, but not all. 88Vape, for example, make freebase liquids in 11mg strength (and 1 mg), and they’re cheap liquids sold in a lot of places. So no, you absolutely can’t tell the type of nicotine from the strength alone.

As a vaper the best advice is to go into an actual vape shop, theyvare great for advuce and knowledge. You may of set the device up wrong, the wattage too high or something else. They can advise you on what strength of nicotine and what would work best for your DH.

Vaping is not a good way to give up smoking. Lots of data to show it doesn't work. Get him to engage with nhs stop smoking

It does work. You get the hand to mouth action and the nicotine. I smoked 30 a day from age 13 and tried everything to quit, vaping is the only thing to ever work and I haven't smoked for over 5 years now
Stop smoking places recommend it

This depends entirely what is meant by giving up smoking.
Many people would say that giving up smoking is the complete absence of smoking anything, in which case, vaping is seen as a stepping stone to giving up smoking completely.

OTOH, many other people would say that cigarettes/cigars constitute smoking and if you have swapped these for vaping, then you have given up smoking.

Well there's no smoke so it's not smoking, it's nicotine replacement therapy
If it helps, I'm classed as a none smoker by the NHS. If they counted vaping as smoking they would have to give smoking cessation advice which could include.. vaping

Most NHS stop smoking services now support vaping as a quit method because the data shows that it works.

So please show your data.

This depends entirely what is meant by giving up smoking.

How about no longer inhaling smoke?

You do realise that the whole point of encouraging people to stop smoking is so that they don't die from slow carbon monoxide poisoning and smoke inhalation?

I've bought normal (not salts) liquid at 11mg and 16mg. I haven't seen 10mg but there's no reason why someone would not make and sell it. The only rule is not above 20mg.

Just because your shop doesn't sell something, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

I would suggest a Vaporesso device such as XROS or XROS mini or a caliburn device. Both devices are small and comes with a pod that you can re fill.
Nic salts are far better than vape juice with nicotine.

Disposables - don't buy. Environmentally they are no good and they will no do your bank balance any good either at £5+ per disposable vape.

Let us know how he gets on.

Update (if anyone's interested) - DH bought the nicotine salts at 1% (which is 10 mg) and spearmint flavour.

It wasn't so bad. Then he found some which were 5 mg and tobacco flavour, and he likes them - so having stopped choking (finally) he seems to have settled down with the salts.

Brilliant! Glad he found something suitable.

Sorry, but I live in Mexico and vaping is banned here because they have found it is more harmful than smoking.

Get your husband Allen Carr's book "Easy Way to Stop Smoking" instead. I smoked for 45 years ending up on 50 a day and gave up with the help of that book.

Thankfully in the UK our public health are more enlightened.

www.gov.uk/government/collections/e-cigarettes-and-vaping-policy-regulation-and-guidance

Allen Carr is great and works for lots of people but not everyone. It didn't work for me. We need all the different quit methods because everyone is different.

Thank you. This is undeniable. I managed to stop with nicotine patches from the Nurse Practitioner. It was my seventh attempt (!) but I've been free of fags for three years now.
DH has also tried - many times - using nicotine patches. He just likes something to put in his mouth, according to him.

I am so glad that he's made a positive start this time.

Thankfully in the UK our public health are more enlightened

Sorry that looks like a racist comment

It could be the coils, I can't vape anything other than single chamber coils, has he tried dropping the nicotine strength? Look at something like the Innokin Coolfire 4, that was what I started with, the coils are fairly small & didn't make me cough.

Ive just seen this.

Many, many countries have banned vaping, mostly on the advice of the WHO, rather than any actual evidence they can point at. I've been having these boring 'debates' about vaping for almost a decade now.

Half of all long term smokers will eventually die from the habit, losing on average a decade of life. They will also harm the health of everyone around them, including their children. Vaping would have to be really fucking bad to be worse than the risks of smoking.

Thankfully it isn't. While not completely harmless, according to all the research it carries a tiny proportion of the risk of smoking and it has a high success rate in helping smokers quit and stay quit long term.

Sorry if the word 'enlightened' upset you. Is that word off limits in all circumstances now?

There are very few things I feel proud of about the UK. Our sensible, evidence-based policies on vaping as tobacco harm reduction is one of them. We are actually world leaders in this.

Instead of just calling me a racist you could read some of the material on the link I provided.

Or else provide a link to the research the Mexican government is relying on for its vaping ban.

I know the Mexican Department of Health did its own studies and found many toxic substances that were not reported on the labels. But in the end, do what you want. I'm not telling anyone what do do, but I do object to some random on the internet assuming that the UK is obviously more enlightened than Mexico.