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Grimsby, the town where Brexit died...good article in the graun.

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Frootlepootle · 31/10/2022 13:33

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/video/2022/oct/31/the-town-where-brexit-died-but-hope-survives-video
Interviewer: Who how do you feel about [Brexit and the election] now? Fisherman: Well, I won't vote for anybody.
That is why the people who caused this win again and again. There's only one other party that can credibly form a government, and when they refuse to speak the truth the problem will just get worse without any political will to fix it.

Then again: "They're all the same" isn't true either. Brexit and all those other problems are not natural disasters. They are the result of deliberate political choices, both by the electorate and the people in charge. Some parties and their policies are a better choice than others.
People are often resistant to change, but when your town is run down because the industry that you depended on has gone then it's either change or die and the problem was that they were too eager to listen to liars like Farage and Johnson that claimed that the fishing industry would come back than to face reality and embrace something else. They had the opportunity to be a key centre for offshore wind energy, but they were looking at the past instead of the future.
It's a struggle for all Northern towns because no Tory government is ever going to fund them unless their votes are for sale (and even then, not by anywhere near what the town needs), but do you know who would have funded the town's development? The EU. With no political skin in the game and an intention of just improving the economies of all members the EU would have funded Grimsby's development, but they didn't want that. They wanted the fishing industry back and now they have nothing.

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OldMotherHubbardsCat · 05/12/2022 04:39

Obviously that fisherman hasn't read this : assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1054643/benefits-of-brexit.pdf

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about this subject:

OldMotherHubbardsCat · 05/12/2022 04:47

Wow! So much good news !
www.business-live.co.uk/economic-development/75m-seafood-industry-boost-welcomed-22667000

Ghostsapply · 05/12/2022 04:59

OldMotherHubbardsCat He may well have done but then he might have read this too:

Brexit fails to deliver for fishing industry

Ghostsapply · 05/12/2022 05:01

Or perhaps this one OldMotherHubbardsCat

Brexit fishing woes

And maybe these two articles resonate with his actual experience rather than the propaganda you share in your first article

Ghostsapply · 05/12/2022 05:03

I reckon he could also have read this OldMotherHubbardsCat

Scotsman www.scotsman.com The betrayal of the fishing industry after Brexit has been incredible and shameful ... Shameful Brexit

OldMotherHubbardsCat · 05/12/2022 05:51

There are lots of different viewpoints and opinions it seems but unless you live in Grimsby none of it matters does it?

OldMotherHubbardsCat · 05/12/2022 05:56

There is much investment in Hull for wind turbines without the EU :

www.thehullstory.com/allarticles/siemens-turbine-factory

carefulcalculator · 05/12/2022 05:56

What's happened in lots of areas of the country and industries since Brexit is dreadfully depressing. This Tory government have broken so much, including further undermining trust in the whole system.

Those of us who voted remain are not finding it easy to move on from Brexit precisely because it is going so badly. The thing that angers me most is there never was a real plan.

OldMotherHubbardsCat · 05/12/2022 05:59

@carefulcalculator Well it's not 'broken' in the Humber area as you will see from this information about £millions being invested;

www.hull.ac.uk/work-with-us/more/media-centre/news/2022/university-of-hull-leading-1.25m-project-with-siemens-gamesa-to-advance-wind-turbine-blade-production

OldMotherHubbardsCat · 05/12/2022 06:04

Yup, This Tory government have broken so much, that's just* *more baseless emotive rhetoric from disgruntled Remoaners Remainers.

If you haven't taken the trouble to read The Plan here it is : assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1054643/benefits-of-brexit.pdf

OldMotherHubbardsCat · 05/12/2022 06:13

Those of us who voted remain are not finding it easy to move on from Brexit precisely because it is going so badly.

I disagree.
The reason Remoaners Remainers are finding it hard to move on because they have misdirected anger. Instead of getting mad at themselves that they voted the wrong way, they blame their poor choice on anyone and anything they can.
Carrying a grudge for 6 years isn't healthy. Maybe these folks need some therapy to help move on?

The thing that angers me most is there never was a real plan.

There were lots of plans for after Brexit. Some people were so busy in their own echo chambers they didn't bother to read them.

carefulcalculator · 05/12/2022 06:34

OldMotherHubbardsCat · 05/12/2022 06:13

Those of us who voted remain are not finding it easy to move on from Brexit precisely because it is going so badly.

I disagree.
The reason Remoaners Remainers are finding it hard to move on because they have misdirected anger. Instead of getting mad at themselves that they voted the wrong way, they blame their poor choice on anyone and anything they can.
Carrying a grudge for 6 years isn't healthy. Maybe these folks need some therapy to help move on?

The thing that angers me most is there never was a real plan.

There were lots of plans for after Brexit. Some people were so busy in their own echo chambers they didn't bother to read them.

Using perjorative terms like remoaners is embarrassingly childish.

The current polling shows 12% of ALL voters feel Brexit is going well. If Brexit leaders can't explain the benefits - and clearly they can't - that is their failure.

OldMotherHubbardsCat · 05/12/2022 06:41

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BiasedBinding · 05/12/2022 06:47

Hahaha the lone desperate “brexit supporter” frantically posting loads of random links on these threads always seems a sign that things are going well Grin

OldMotherHubbardsCat · 05/12/2022 06:54

@BiasedBinding It seems you don't know what a 'random link is' so here's one so you can compare and contrast , www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/wordofmouth/2010/nov/18/how-make-perfect-rice-pudding

carefulcalculator · 05/12/2022 06:55

Regarding polling, the polls in the final week showed the vote would be very close. It was close.

But also if someone doesn't understand the difference between voting intention polling and polling of views on current situation, there's little point discussing.

Once you're dismissing polls simply because you don't like the information contained, you've really lost credibility.

OldMotherHubbardsCat · 05/12/2022 07:06

@carefulcalculator Regarding polling, the polls in the final week showed the vote would be very close. It was close.

Yes it was close but most polls gave a win to Remain

ig.ft.com/sites/brexit-polling/

But also if someone doesn't understand the difference between voting intention polling and polling of views on current situation, there's little point discussing.

That was exactly my point, I'm glad you agree.

Once you're dismissing polls simply because you don't like the information contained, you've really lost credibility.

I agree that you have a problem with credibility

BiasedBinding · 05/12/2022 07:08

Haha yeah, the frantic posting is totally convincing Grin

everything is FINE <rictus grin>

OldMotherHubbardsCat · 05/12/2022 07:11

@BiasedBinding Are you going to try the rice pudding?

Tesco should be open by now, to get the ingredients. 🙂

Snnowflake · 05/12/2022 07:14

Brexit is the least of our problems imv

JassyRadlett · 05/12/2022 07:20

Snnowflake · 05/12/2022 07:14

Brexit is the least of our problems imv

I don't know, I feel like 5% higher GDP and a more favourable balance of trade might be quite useful right about now.

cakeorwine · 05/12/2022 07:28

Oooh.

I see someone is taking advantage of the 'people who liked this thread also liked this thread' feature this morning.