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Is it worth kids doing a levels getting a part time job, or would you prefer your schedule to concentrate on their studies ?

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GingerKittenTail · 29/10/2022 05:17

? The balance of a teen wanting to earn some money
but also having a lot to do work wise

what are your thoughts ?

OP posts:
CaronPoivre · 30/10/2022 07:11

LittleBearPad · 29/10/2022 17:38

No, not really it just suggests rich parents. As does the sailing in Switzerland.

Except of course neither costed any money. Just initiative and effort.

They got paid for Switzerland - not a huge amount the first time they worked there, but they lived for free and brought a little home for the rest of the summer. The learning from that was immense. The company have ongoing seasonal recruitment for all sorts of roles. Highly recommended.

They gained sailing quals for free in return for volunteering with younger ones ay a local watersports centre. Started off pulling boats in and out of the water and making sandwiches, then progressed.

Work experience in the middle east was about making contact with the CEO of a large group of International schools. An all expenses paid month of work experience and a huge confidence boost.

It's not always about having money. I went to South America many, many years ago for a three month placement between O and A levels. We were poorer than church mice, but all costs were covered.

I did have a part time job from the time I was 13. Chambermaid in holiday accommodation. It wasn't of much benefit at all and had never featured on my CV once id passed 18, whereas my time in Brazil was always mentioned because it was relevant, a bit more interesting and showed more skills than mopping lavatory floors.

MarshaBradyo · 30/10/2022 07:18

CaronPoivre · 30/10/2022 07:11

Except of course neither costed any money. Just initiative and effort.

They got paid for Switzerland - not a huge amount the first time they worked there, but they lived for free and brought a little home for the rest of the summer. The learning from that was immense. The company have ongoing seasonal recruitment for all sorts of roles. Highly recommended.

They gained sailing quals for free in return for volunteering with younger ones ay a local watersports centre. Started off pulling boats in and out of the water and making sandwiches, then progressed.

Work experience in the middle east was about making contact with the CEO of a large group of International schools. An all expenses paid month of work experience and a huge confidence boost.

It's not always about having money. I went to South America many, many years ago for a three month placement between O and A levels. We were poorer than church mice, but all costs were covered.

I did have a part time job from the time I was 13. Chambermaid in holiday accommodation. It wasn't of much benefit at all and had never featured on my CV once id passed 18, whereas my time in Brazil was always mentioned because it was relevant, a bit more interesting and showed more skills than mopping lavatory floors.

The CEO paid for flights and accommodation for a young person with no experience to get them to shadow whatever they were learning - why were they so valuable?

Even for an employee you’d have to add value to have flights and accommodation paid..

NerrSnerr · 30/10/2022 07:19

@CaronPoivre I assume the flights had to be paid? Sound like amazing opportunities but they wouldn't have flown you out would they?

Itslookinggood · 30/10/2022 07:30

Canonpoivre, on another thread you enlightened us that ‘Guess what, sweetheart, some of us do own the countryside.’

Glad your kids have turned out OK. But your life circumstances (and attitude) are different to most, Very few will have the chance of sailing in Switzerland, travelling alone to thr ME because their wealthy parents managed to ‘make contact’ with the CEO of a large chain of international schools.

most teens will have to make do with jobs in the local Spar, as you disparagingly call it. Mine does. Still predicted A stars and has learned some pretty good skills along the way.

Karwomannghia · 30/10/2022 07:40

@CaronPoivre you seem to have access to experiences way beyond anything I could think up; where do you find out about these things?

CaronPoivre · 30/10/2022 07:44

No no.cost of flights. Switzerland you could either fly as an escort for younger children or get the coaches from UK. It was smaller back then but coaches left from Birmingham, Leeds and Bristol picking up in London and Dover. You could pay to fly or drive yourself too.

Middle East was all expenses. She got her first taste of business class. We didn't even have to take her to the airport as she had a car sent. They arranged a female host for her to stay with and gave her an allowance.

NerrSnerr · 30/10/2022 07:51

@CaronPoivre do you think it's realistic that a normal child, whose parents don't have connections would think 'I won't get a job in Asda, a Middle Eastern private school will pay me to go there instead'??

The sailing, great if you're in the know.

MarshaBradyo · 30/10/2022 07:55

Caron What’s in it for the ME private school? Is it to teach English. Surely they pay for staff they need

Can you explain from school perspective what they got out of it to pay for flights etc

HowVeryBizarre · 30/10/2022 07:55

Totally depends on kids. I didn’t want my eldest to work while at school as I knew he would probably drop out once he started earning money without fully comprehending that what pays well at 16 isn’t the same as what an adult needs to earn. Second is profoundly dyslexic so my only focus was getting him through his exams (is now doing a Masters which I think vindicates my recommendation to him). Youngest worked in a restaurant three nights a week through her last year as well as having a full on schedule of study, sport and extra curriculars. Horses for courses but of course the fact we could afford to subsidise them helped.

Razzle5 · 30/10/2022 07:57

@CaronPoivre

let me guess - you are part of a religious community with links in SA?

canyouextrapol · 30/10/2022 08:09

As a teacher I see so many sixth formers struggling to manage their time with the pressures from a job. A levels are very time consuming. If something slips it's never the school work.

CaronPoivre · 30/10/2022 08:13

@Razzle5 No. Never been to SA.

@MarshaBradyo The group is huge and the founder quite philanthropic. He was an Indian child who built his own fortune. He tends to react emotionally and from the heart (we know him quite well now) and is always keen to support young people from around the world. She simply wrote to him. I don't think there was anything in it for the school. She didn't teach English she mainly helped in the library and attended Arabic classes.

Sparklingbrook · 30/10/2022 08:21

canyouextrapol · 30/10/2022 08:09

As a teacher I see so many sixth formers struggling to manage their time with the pressures from a job. A levels are very time consuming. If something slips it's never the school work.

It’s all about balance isn’t it? Some of DS’s friends hit jobs in a local hotel and there were always extra shifts available which meant it was a bit too easy to take on too much.

DS had very set hours which worked well with his hobbies too.

MarshaBradyo · 30/10/2022 08:23

CaronPoivre · 30/10/2022 08:13

@Razzle5 No. Never been to SA.

@MarshaBradyo The group is huge and the founder quite philanthropic. He was an Indian child who built his own fortune. He tends to react emotionally and from the heart (we know him quite well now) and is always keen to support young people from around the world. She simply wrote to him. I don't think there was anything in it for the school. She didn't teach English she mainly helped in the library and attended Arabic classes.

Thanks for the reply.

Taking it back to the op if I were a recruiter I wouldn’t actually look more favourably on an A star student who did this over another who had same marks but worked in ASDA etc

It sounds lovely, fortunate and privileged but turning up to shifts and getting top marks from a place of lower luck and privilege is good. I’d be amazed at the motivations of the school though if it was on the CV as I am interested here.

cocktailclub · 30/10/2022 08:24

Mine all had a part time job (8 hours a week) during A levels. Some did well at A levels others not so well but ultimately I don't think the job caused an issue it was about motivation to study.

WombatChocolate · 30/10/2022 08:27

A lot of this reflects what parents think is valuable.

For some, the only things worth doing are those that are directly linked to their kids’ degree subject or career choice. Therefore some parents can’t see any value in 6 hrs per week in a clothes shop, when their kid wants a law career.

People forget the skills and value gained through being out in the world, interacting with adults of all ages, and being an employee rather than a protected child. They forget the benefits gained from having to communicate with a slightly awkward boss and to having to navigate your way through communication about hours and not taking extra shifts and managing to fit school trips in with work. All of these are skills useful to any adult in any career and to anyone looking to be able to have confidence in the world and to navigate their way through independent life as a student and then worker. These are more useful skills than the CEO sending a car to collect someone from the airport for their elite work experience.

The attitude is taken that some of these jobs are beneath their families and their kids....that their kids don’t work in supermarkets and cafes. They won’t be cleaning tables in their careers or tidying up after others when earning big money later, so those things can’t possibly be relevant now. But people miss those wider benefits of being in the world and not in a bubble. Teens benefit from doing these things ...they aren’t dirtied by them. Speak to numerous doctors, lawyers, people with big careers and huge success about the jobs they did as teens and students and they will tell you of a wide range and the benefits into later life of seeing how others live and of skills of resilience, organisation and determination learned.....not things just for ‘people not like us’

Some people have lazy kids who don’t study much. For most of those, having an extra 6-8 hrs a week by not doing paid work really doesn’t result in lots more study. People with lazy kids deluded themselves if they think it does.

A few kids have such time consuming extra curriculars that doing a job wouldn’t work. That’s fair enough. The no. with that extent of extra curricular commitment is small in reality though.

I think that when it’s parents stopping kids or discouraging kids from a paid job, the reality usually is that they simply don’t want their kids to work or carry out the typical jobs available. Studying is usually spouted as the reason, but as has been said that’s a nonsense mostly, because there are plenty of hours to study, socialise, work and go extra curricular, if one doesn’t spend half the week lying on the sofa looking at a phone. Parents often don’t want their kids to work as they have the idea that if they don’t provide all the money they need, somehow they look less successful or not fully providing themselves AND quite often it can stem from this sense that the jobs are essentially beneath their kids and their family and have no value. It’s a shame because the kids really do miss out on a key experience that could be seen as a vital part of growing up. And sometimes the kids who parents ‘protect’ from the real world are actually those who are pretty lazy or very sheltered and actually those most likely to gain a lot from a few hours doing a basic role in the real world.

Again, we are talking a few hours-probably 1 shift, not talking about working vast numbers of hours or it taking over life. But those who don’t want to do the jobs often present it as something that will be 20+ hours, but that’s often because of those underlying reasons for not wanting their kids to work which are hard to articulate, even to themselves, whilst ‘impact on study’ feels like a virtuous reason.

Razzle5 · 30/10/2022 08:30

CaronPoivre · 30/10/2022 08:13

@Razzle5 No. Never been to SA.

@MarshaBradyo The group is huge and the founder quite philanthropic. He was an Indian child who built his own fortune. He tends to react emotionally and from the heart (we know him quite well now) and is always keen to support young people from around the world. She simply wrote to him. I don't think there was anything in it for the school. She didn't teach English she mainly helped in the library and attended Arabic classes.

Sorry didn’t mean SA

but I am correct that a very tight religious community?

TheaBrandt · 30/10/2022 08:32

Absolutely agree Wombat. Dealing with difficult people is a good life skill Dd had a complaint that a milkshake was “too milky” the other day 😁

Razzle5 · 30/10/2022 08:32

@WombatChocolate

A lot of this reflects what parents think is valuable.

what you fail to include is those parents that think that having a few years being fancy free, and having downtime to spend with friends, hobbies and just… chill too. Free of work responsibility. Knowing they will have no doubt have more than a decade of working more than you and I.

i enjoyed that. And I want the same for my children. I understand others thinking differently though

Sparklingbrook · 30/10/2022 08:33

Excellent post @WombatChocolate I agree with all you said.
Parents worrying how it will look on themif their children get a PT job that they feel is beneath them. Not seeing the bigger picture at all.

Sparklingbrook · 30/10/2022 08:37

TheaBrandt · 30/10/2022 08:32

Absolutely agree Wombat. Dealing with difficult people is a good life skill Dd had a complaint that a milkshake was “too milky” the other day 😁

I don’t think you can beat hospitality or retail for a character building experience. It’s such an eye opener.
Too milky milkshake- customer’s day ruined! 😂

TheaBrandt · 30/10/2022 08:40

If some random offered to pay for my teen to fly somewhere for an enriching experience I wouldn’t be thrilled - just very suspicious!

Razzle5 · 30/10/2022 08:47

I have never had a part time job in hospitality or retail.

I am now a single parent, professionally qualified in the finance industry and completely in charge of my family’s comfortable budget.

I think important to see that whilst there may be benefits to working part time during a levels over not working. The alternative ie not working during a levels also has benefits over working!

CaronPoivre · 30/10/2022 08:49

@MarshaBradyo My point is that more interesting and useful experiences aren't necessarily the preserve of the privileged. We didn't spend a fortune but did support with time and advice.
The motivation of the CEO was just being a nice person with the resources to help. She'd wanted to study Arabic at that point, hence the middle east.

MarshaBradyo · 30/10/2022 08:51

TheaBrandt · 30/10/2022 08:40

If some random offered to pay for my teen to fly somewhere for an enriching experience I wouldn’t be thrilled - just very suspicious!

Yes you’d want to be sure, especially with a female teen

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