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What can I write if I don't want to write BME / BAME etc

133 replies

HellonHeels · 27/10/2022 14:03

Is Global Majority better?

Please help, not trying for woke points, just want to be inclusive and use the best language.

No style guide in my institution, other reports use BAME.

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Rowthe · 27/10/2022 15:23

Ok and what is the name for those who aren't the global majority?

From now on you are referred to as the global minority?

Rowthe · 27/10/2022 15:25

Wonder when I'll start seeing Global Minority in use?

Pixiedust1234 · 27/10/2022 15:25

If I saw global majority I would assume you meant Chinese and Indian as they seem to have the higher populations.

BAME is black and others who are coloured are tagging along but actually (and I have no idea why) I wouldn't include mixed race into that category.

Watching with interest.

NewYorkXmas · 27/10/2022 15:36

Rowthe · 27/10/2022 15:23

Ok and what is the name for those who aren't the global majority?

From now on you are referred to as the global minority?

So assuming you're white from what you wrote... Why shouldn't you be referred to as a minority in global terms? That's accurate.

You sound like you think it's not ok for you to be labelled minority but is is ok for black and brown people?

Rummikub · 27/10/2022 15:36

titchy · 27/10/2022 15:03

I'm in HE and BAME tends to be used, not 'global majority' at all.

Yes in education we still use bame.
I’m not a fan but can’t see another alternative.
I sometimes use ethnic minorities.

never heard of global majority.

NewYorkXmas · 27/10/2022 15:37

That's interesting. Some posters working in HE are using GM and some not.

NewYorkXmas · 27/10/2022 15:38

Oh sorry @Rummikub just saw you said "education" and not HE- so maybe you're in school teaching?

Rummikub · 27/10/2022 15:40

FE mainly

Lottapianos · 27/10/2022 15:40

'Those who haven't heard of Global Majority - I'm staggered about that - what sectors are you in?'

I'm corporate NHS and have never heard this term. How would you use it in a sentence? Would it be like referring to 'patients from the global majority'?

My organisation tends to use BME, not that I'm saying it's right. All the terms I've heard sound a bit clunky, don't know what the best option is

Rowthe · 27/10/2022 15:41

NewYorkXmas · 27/10/2022 15:36

So assuming you're white from what you wrote... Why shouldn't you be referred to as a minority in global terms? That's accurate.

You sound like you think it's not ok for you to be labelled minority but is is ok for black and brown people?

Actually it's the opposite.

Slapping my palm against my forehead watching some people try and make up terms that they think should apply to me, but can see they will never use the same term for themselves.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 27/10/2022 15:41

Rowthe · 27/10/2022 15:25

Wonder when I'll start seeing Global Minority in use?

As soon as the usual characters have logged into twitter, probably. Feeds right into their paranoia.

MrsTerryPratchett · 27/10/2022 15:41

Rowthe · 27/10/2022 15:23

Ok and what is the name for those who aren't the global majority?

From now on you are referred to as the global minority?

Why not? I tend to use something along to lines of 'white' or 'European descent' depending on what I'm talking about. But minority is accurate. Very accurate actually.

I remember when women were lumped in as a 'minority'. Umm no.

eurochick · 27/10/2022 15:42

NewYorkXmas · 27/10/2022 14:58

Those who haven't heard of Global Majority - I'm staggered about that - what sectors are you in? This is by far the most accepted and used now, though not to say it won't be overtaken by something else.

Whoever suggested "non-white" - that's not perceived as particularly acceptable, because "non-white" is basically lumping people together based on what they're not. Eg, a women become "non-men".

Global majority is seen as factual, and less "othering" and less oppressive than saying "minority" all the time.

I'm in the legal sector. I've never seen the term "Global Majority" used anywhere.

Rummikub · 27/10/2022 15:42

Work with a lot of refugees and asylum seekers.

i understand why global majority might be useful but I guess ethnic minority suggests it’s the idea of being a minority and the adverse life experiences as a consequence.

JaniceBattersby · 27/10/2022 15:44

I am a journalist. I’ve also never heard global majority and I think it’s a bit dodgy. People with black and brown skin are not one thing. They do not make up a ‘global majority’ as people from Vietnam, for example, are not the same as people from Morocco. Lumping them all together as a global majority suggests they’re all the same, doesn’t it? (Genuine question, I’m not trying to be provocative)

Dotcheck · 27/10/2022 15:44

I’m in HE

We’ve had specialist training and were told NOT to use BAME or POC

Global majority wasn’t mentioned- I’ve never heard it.

Rummikub · 27/10/2022 15:45

What was suggested instead?

Qwertyfudge · 27/10/2022 15:46

In March 2021, the Commission on Race and Ethnic Disparities recommended that the government stop using the term BAME.

One of the recommendations in the final report on COVID-19 disparities, published in December 2021, was to refer to ethnic minority groups individually, rather than as a single group.

www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/style-guide/writing-about-ethnicity

Rowthe · 27/10/2022 15:47

Qwertyfudge · 27/10/2022 15:46

In March 2021, the Commission on Race and Ethnic Disparities recommended that the government stop using the term BAME.

One of the recommendations in the final report on COVID-19 disparities, published in December 2021, was to refer to ethnic minority groups individually, rather than as a single group.

www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/style-guide/writing-about-ethnicity

Yes please

NewYorkXmas · 27/10/2022 15:54

JaniceBattersby · 27/10/2022 15:44

I am a journalist. I’ve also never heard global majority and I think it’s a bit dodgy. People with black and brown skin are not one thing. They do not make up a ‘global majority’ as people from Vietnam, for example, are not the same as people from Morocco. Lumping them all together as a global majority suggests they’re all the same, doesn’t it? (Genuine question, I’m not trying to be provocative)

I don't think anyone is suggesting that individuals should be referred to as Global majority (or BAME for that matter).

But practically sectors may need language to meet needs of summarising different groups of stakeholders - for example, an HEI might be aiming to engage a greater number of people from Global Majority backgrounds, and have to report on that. Listing all different ethnicities represented in every sentence is not practical.

RaininginDarling · 27/10/2022 15:54

I've never heard the term 'global majority' before makes some sense I suppose however the disparaging comments about not knowing it already really reminds me of an interview with Rob Henderson - he of luxury beliefs fame - and how he observed the rapid changes in terminology were a way of signifying class and in group status.

Rowthe · 27/10/2022 15:54

I dont understand how who is in the Global Majority has been decided, why have people are White/ of "European descent "( though there are people who aren't white but of European descent?) Been taken out of this?

I'm sure if you took out black people and blobbed everyone else together, it would be Black vs the Global Majority.

Or take out people from South Asia. And mash everyone else together and you've got the Global Majority.

Rummikub · 27/10/2022 15:56

I have read that recommendation too. And I agree mostly however
sometimes I think the power is in the numbers to enforce changes.

Eg when looking at adverse life experiences of ethnic minorities as a whole. It’s useful to see and cause action. Whereas dividing up creates smaller numbers and are easier to wave away. (I’m not white if that makes a difference )

I don’t think I’m explaining properly.

Rowthe · 27/10/2022 15:56

NewYorkXmas · 27/10/2022 15:54

I don't think anyone is suggesting that individuals should be referred to as Global majority (or BAME for that matter).

But practically sectors may need language to meet needs of summarising different groups of stakeholders - for example, an HEI might be aiming to engage a greater number of people from Global Majority backgrounds, and have to report on that. Listing all different ethnicities represented in every sentence is not practical.

Who are people from global Majority backgrounds?

Who does this cover?

NewYorkXmas · 27/10/2022 15:58

Rowthe · 27/10/2022 15:54

I dont understand how who is in the Global Majority has been decided, why have people are White/ of "European descent "( though there are people who aren't white but of European descent?) Been taken out of this?

I'm sure if you took out black people and blobbed everyone else together, it would be Black vs the Global Majority.

Or take out people from South Asia. And mash everyone else together and you've got the Global Majority.

I don't understand your point though? Surely this is about sectors and institutions trying to find language to discuss their approaches to inclusion. And, in the UK the ruling hegemony is white, so those sectors and institutions are white-dominated.