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Actually, DH, sometimes you are going to have to say exactly that!

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WeneedSamVimesonthecase · 25/10/2022 21:03

Like a lot of women, I didn't go back to work after having children. DH earned 3 times what I did, so it made sense for me to stay at home rather than spend more than my salary on childcare.

Once the DC were both at school, I went back to uni, did a post-grad, and set myself up as a freelancer. Thanks to Covid getting in the way, it's only now, nearly 4 years on, that I'm actually starting to get a decent amount of work coming through and things are taking off. Financially speaking, it doesn't make anywhere near as much as DH's job - but it could. Potentially if this continues to go well I could end up the main earner.

Anyway, we were looking our schedule for the next couple of months, and there's one day when I have to leave at the crack of dawn to travel to a job, and he "has" to be in the office. Someone needs to be at home - not all day, just till the DC (10 and 8) go to school. My mum can collect them and look after them till one of us - probably me - gets home.

To be clear, one of us has options, the other one doesn't. I have to be physically present to do my job, and I have to be there by a certain time - the event can't start without me. DH works flexibly, from home 70% of the time, and it's largely up to him which days he physically goes into the office. In addition, he likes to leave the house at 6am to be in by 7am - but he doesn't have to be. There's absolutely no reason he can't take the DC to school then catch the train by 9am.

He's not saying I have to cancel or anything daft like that, but he's being absolutely inflexible. He "has" to be in the office that day, and can't possibly go in a bit later. He's just to said to me "I can't just tell my work I can't make it in because I have child care issues."

YES HE BLOODY CAN! How the blithering feck does he thing other people - including other people in his own organisation - manage, when they haven't the benefit of a Me picking up all the family and domestic slack for over a decade?! He's never once had to look after a sick child, or leave early to attend a parents evening, or a school play or put himself out in anyway, and in spite of the fact he's knows I'm working too now, he's still expecting I'll just magically sort this stuff without him having to be involved in anyway.

I've left it with him to sort, and made it very clear he has to. And I get this is going to be an adjustment period for him, and he's broadly quite supportive - so long as it doesn't inconvenience him! I'm just so frustrated. My work matters too!

OP posts:
MrMrsJones · 25/10/2022 21:05

Yes it does
dont bend, let him sort it out

AnneLovesGilbert · 25/10/2022 21:06

YANBU at all.

Phineyj · 25/10/2022 21:08

Crumbs, being supportive when it doesn't inconvenience you isn't really the definition of supportive, is it?!

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Echobelly · 25/10/2022 21:09

Indeed - and remind him that it sets a great example for all working parents every time a man takes time off/from home for childcare. Literally nothing will change until men normalise doing this as well.

DH did hit me with that line once when he had a job interview and complained he couldn't change it because of childcare issues and I did remind him that it was something I have done more than once and he'd be doing all working parents a favour if he'd actually owned this one.

Lcb123 · 25/10/2022 21:11

Stand firm. They’re just as much his responsibility as yours. He owes you for the years you dedicated to childcare!

BattenburgDonkey · 25/10/2022 21:12

Can he drop the kids at breakfast club? They open at 7.30 here so it could work as a compromise

OakleyStreetisnotinChelsea · 25/10/2022 21:13

Urgh. It is so bloody important for men to normalise being care givers too! He didn't even have to say he had childcare issues, it isn't an issue! "I won't be in until later today as I'm doing the school run" not an issue, not lack of planning, just normal, real life parenting. Job done.

I won't say that dh was amazing from the start, he wasn't. But over time he had come to see the institutionalised misogyny and makes a point of being very open about childcare, for example will straight up say things like "I'm taking a long lunch today to take dc to an appointment" or whatever. And I think it makes a difference.

Earning potential for men increases on becoming a father but for women in decreases on becoming a mother. And sadly the attitude that childcare is an "issue", especially when it is an issue that should be solved by a woman, just helps to keep that gap wide open.

christinarossetti39 · 25/10/2022 21:14

I worked freelance when my children were in primary school - similar situation inasmuch that a lot of the time I could be very flexible eg pick children up from school and then work in the evenings, there were occasions when I had to travel overnight or leave at the crack of dawn. Think running an event - I had to be there and stay beyond the end, no question.

The agreement that I had with dh was that if children were ill/off school one one of those days, he had to sort the childcare. Other days, I would work something out.

He doesn't have to mention childcare issues to work - although it would be a favour to all parents if he did - he can just say that he can't be in until a bit later that day. I doubt anyone will bat an eyelid.

Tickledtrout · 25/10/2022 21:14

Yep. Got one of those too. Incredibly accommodating to his reports when they need flexibility for childcare but doesn't apply it to himself in his own family.
Fix your stare and make sure you're out of the door first. I have sometimes travelled the night before to stop getting sucked into the chaos and guilt.

GreeboIsMySpiritAnimal · 25/10/2022 21:15

BattenburgDonkey · 25/10/2022 21:12

Can he drop the kids at breakfast club? They open at 7.30 here so it could work as a compromise

He possibly can, I shall leave it to him to find out!

LizzieSiddal · 25/10/2022 21:17

Gosh what a prat. Obviously you’ve always been there to cover the Dc, he now needs to learn that he has to step too!

Tell him it’s his call what he does with the Dc but they are his responsibility that morning.

SundayFunde · 25/10/2022 21:21

Well he's used to not having to deal with this issues isn't he. I bet he never had to take a day off work as the DC were sick either.

BattenburgDonkey · 25/10/2022 21:23

GreeboIsMySpiritAnimal · 25/10/2022 21:15

He possibly can, I shall leave it to him to find out!

Are you the OP with a name change?

GreeboIsMySpiritAnimal · 25/10/2022 21:23

Ah, bugger.

Heatherjayne1972 · 25/10/2022 21:23

Mm what If he decides to ignore this
you get to the day and nothings planned
will it be ‘your fault’

my ex would definitely have ‘forgotten’

GreeboIsMySpiritAnimal · 25/10/2022 21:25

SundayFunde · 25/10/2022 21:21

Well he's used to not having to deal with this issues isn't he. I bet he never had to take a day off work as the DC were sick either.

No. Never had to use AL to cover school holidays either, this is is the first time he's doing that, as I'm working during the Christmas period. He actually had the audacity to say "aww, I usually like to have that time to relax"!!

GreeboIsMySpiritAnimal · 25/10/2022 21:26

Heatherjayne1972 · 25/10/2022 21:23

Mm what If he decides to ignore this
you get to the day and nothings planned
will it be ‘your fault’

my ex would definitely have ‘forgotten’

He's not that bad, or he would be an ex too. He'll sort it, there'll be a lot of grumbling about the inconvenience of it all though.

WakingUpDistress · 25/10/2022 21:48

Good on you @WeneedSamVimesonthecase .

Dont bulge and yes be ready for some issues adapting to the new regime.

Fwiw, even your wage wasn’t great, even if it didn’t have the potential to be the same than him or even higher, he should STILL take your work needs into account and use his FLEXIBILITY in his work to accommodate you.
Preferring to be at work early or preferring to work in the office on a certain day is not the same than HAVING to work on that day or having to be away.

WakingUpDistress · 25/10/2022 21:50

Heatherjayne1972 · 25/10/2022 21:23

Mm what If he decides to ignore this
you get to the day and nothings planned
will it be ‘your fault’

my ex would definitely have ‘forgotten’

Tbh if my dh had ‘forgotten’ about it, I would still have left leaving him with the dcs.

He was told with plenty of time. He is a father and the dcs are his responsibility too. If he fucks up his responsibility that’s on him, not in me to sort out.

I hope the OP a would take a similar position tbh.

MrsMorrisey · 25/10/2022 22:02

Geez. One day in a couple of weeks time. It's not hard. What if he had an appointment that he needed to go to? He'd find the time for that.
I would be really hurt by his reaction, not just for my sake but for the kids as well.
Hope you get it sorted.

PyongyangKipperbang · 25/10/2022 22:16

I would simply say

"So you think that your preferences should come before my needs?"

And leave it at that.

user1487194234 · 25/10/2022 22:22

This is one of the reasons I did not go part time or become a SAHM after having the DC
We were equally before we had DC ,and I made sure we stayed that way

GreeboIsMySpiritAnimal · 25/10/2022 22:27

user1487194234 · 25/10/2022 22:22

This is one of the reasons I did not go part time or become a SAHM after having the DC
We were equally before we had DC ,and I made sure we stayed that way

I don't regret the time I spent at home with my DC, we had some wonderful years together; and having that career break enabled to re-evaluate what I really want to do with my life and retrain to make that possible.

Also, TBF to DH he never treated me as less than his equal the whole time I was a SAHM. I think he just hasn't quite grasped that I'm not one anymore! He'll have to learn that quickly though.

user1487194234 · 25/10/2022 22:29

Fair enough ,I could not have risked it

EndlessMagpies · 25/10/2022 22:29

"I can't just tell my work I can't make it in because I have childcare issues"

The only answer to that is "Why can't you? Why is it okay for a woman to have to do it, but not a man?".

See him try and bluster his way out of that one without being a complete sexist.