Will Liz Truss be out of office soon?

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I just can’t believe that a Prime Minister is actually in this situation and facing the prospect of being out of office only just over a month into their role.

I know things are bad and there is speculation about her being ousted, but is it actually likely to happen or is it just the media being dramatic?

I think this is one of those situations where the Tory party are damned if they do, and dammed if they don’t. Looking at recent polling, they’re going to be absolutely destroyed in a general election with Truss as leader (but there’s two years to go and people have short memories).

On the other hand if they remove her and we have another prime minister without an election, that’s likely to make them just as unelectable. It will depend on the mood in the Conservative party in my opinion and which option they fancy taking their chances with. Do they stick with Truss and hope that she can turn things around in the next election and make herself and the party electable, or do they oust her now and ride out the storm with a more competent PM?

Although god knows who would replace her. Would you be willing to run again after just losing the very recent leadership contest? And if anyone runs who didn’t run before, they’ll probably seem less credible because they didn’t want the job in the first place.

She is there in name only. Hunt and some of his cronies will be making decisions. They're just letting her keep the job title so they don't have to gknthrough another farcical leadership contest.

Honestly I don’t know what’s for the best!

Im not sure I would trust a Labour prime minister either.

I’m a lifelong labour supporter but was quite on the fence about Starmer, until I saw his speech at the Labour Party conference. I really resonated with a lot of their policies and felt like he finally stood for something. In the last, I’ve thought he wasn’t charismatic enough for the job, but I think we need to move away from these populist leaders like Boris who ooze charisma and charm but are really incompetent baffoons. Starmer obviously knows his stuff, even if he doesn’t “wow” me.

That's what I think, they'll just tell her what to do

plus it's a PR disaster for the leader they voted for to actually move out of Downing Street.

and her time will have been extended by the death of the Queen.

Agree with this. She’s too weak atm politically to disagree with Hunt - what he says goes.

We need a general election. She’s don’t this much damage in a month, imagine what she can do in 2 years. The whole damn lot of them can all fuck off. Corrupt, narcissistic, nasty, self serving tossers

I think it's actually very likely.
I think she's awful and not up to the job, but I do think that they picked her and they should live with it, and not subject the country to another round of their own internal politics. Either that, or call a general election.

When the news opens with PM still in power... you know it's over. I doubt she'll last the week.

She destroyed the country and now she will do a final u-turn. Out of No.10.

She's quite clearly not fit to lead. She's cognitively challenged, self serving and morally bankrupt. Even by tory standards she's useless.

The tories have got leadership fatigue. Nobody they choose will be suitable. It's time they were out of office. Their time is quite clearly up.

So you think by this time next week we will have another new PM?

A "care-taker" PM while they choose her replacement. And a brand new cabinet.

PM Truss is gone and her team are gone too. The sooner this happens the better.

It’s interesting to hear peoples views. I never thought that she may actually be gone as soon as the end of this week!

Yup. The calls for a GE are getting louder and louder.

The result of it may still be 'not ideal'; but this is the end-result of the stupidity of Cameron thinking he could solve an internal, public school-boy spat via an ill - thought-through referendum on a subject few had the faintest clue about.

I think she is more likely to go than not go. But they’ll want to have shored up both the PM, chancellor and economic policies and a speedy method of getting them in post. So she gets to play at PM until all these things have been tussled out by the parliamentary heavy hitters.

...and that's terrifying.

Wonder if the late Queen thought this might happen when she appointed her PM

Really?

Please watch Keir Starmer's speech at the Labour Party conference. He may not have the "charisma" of Johnson but there's some good policies there (and a few ounces of human decency imho). Even the (usually Tory supporting) CEO of Tesco think Labour are stronger economically.

id like to know where Labour stand on the union of the UK and Northern Ireland’s place in the UK.

I live in NI and I am unionist. I want the NI Protocol removed but I’d like to know are Labour for NI being part of the UK or are they in favour of it leaving the UK and joining the Republic of Ireland

It's written into the Good Friday agreement that NI is part of the UK unless and until such time as they decide by majority referendum to leave it. Why would Labour not continue to affirm that perfectly reasonable position? It's not for them to decide what the people of NI want.

I think they'll offer her a huge financial bribe to go and a promise of some face saving status in the future. She's shameless, as are her party and money talks. We won't be told the details though.

It’s possible, but in my view unlikely. From the Tory party’s POV, the basic problem is that Truss is the membership’s choice for leader, but she was not the MPs’ choice. Sunak was. She has a mandate, but not the support of the majority of her colleagues.

In order to remove Truss, the Tory MPs will have to either get their act together sufficiently to unite behind an alternative leader and mount a coup, or they will have to vote to change the party’s rules to allow a leadership contest within the first 12 months of her leadership. Personally, I can’t see them being organised enough to be able to agree to do either, so I think she will stay for now.

All this could, however, be nonsense and she could be gone by the bend of the week. Who knows 🤷🏻‍♀️

what happens if she resigns?

In theory, another leadership contest in the same format as happened over the summer. MPs voting in rounds until the final two candidates emerge, then the membership choosing between them. Truss would continue as PM while this process played out, as Boris did over the summer.

In practice, the MPs will not want this to happen because it would take too long, cause another leadership vacuum and the membership could choose the ‘wrong’ leader again. So they would probably try to change the rules and organise a coronation / stitch up with Sunak or Mordaunt installed as leader.

If Truss and her top team are excluded (Coffey, Hunt, Braveman, Cleverly) then who can/ should it be? (2 parts)

1. Current either Tory MP or Lords? Non

2. Famous Tory's? Ken Clarke