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Teachers balloting for strike action - school closures

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noblegiraffe · 15/10/2022 17:08

A pre-ballot poll from the NEU suggests that the ballot will be in favour.

The NASUWT have announced that their ballot will open around 27th October in England, Scotland and Wales, and will close on 9th January, I assume that the NEU will be doing similar and it would be joint action.

Strike action would mean school closures around Jan/Feb time and obviously this will impact parents who need to start thinking about arrangements for this eventuality. Please consider emailing your MP asking them to forward any concerns about this to Kit Malthouse, Secretary of State for Education, as any pressure on him from parents to avert strike action by entering pay negotiations would be highly welcome.

The current pay offer of 5% for most teachers is unfunded, meaning that it has to come out of current school budgets. This means that the pay rise will result in cuts to education provision for your children. However, this offer is after over a decade of real terms pay cuts for teachers and with inflation at 10%, teachers cannot afford more pay cuts and to continue to shoulder the burden of government financial incompetence and deliberate running into the ground of public services any longer.

The unions are asking for an above inflation fully funded pay rise for teachers. A teacher pay rise, any teacher pay rise, cannot come out of current school budgets as this will mean a lower quality of education for your children. This could involve even bigger class sizes, even fewer courses on offer, even less provision for SEN children, fewer school trips and extra curricular activities.

School funding has been devastated by the Tory government over the last 12 years. SEN funding has been cut: the impact falls on schools and teachers to deal with. CAMHS funding has been cut: the impact falls on schools and teachers to deal with. Schools are being asked to solve more and more of society's issues, with fewer and fewer resources. It's unsustainable.

People will tell you that teachers are well paid and don't deserve a pay rise. However, we have a critical shortage of teachers, and the obvious conclusion is that if we can't get teachers for the pay that is on offer, then the pay is not enough. Market forces, right?

The government know the impact of increasing pay to attract and keep teachers; they have, this week, announced a big increase to the teacher training bursaries in response to the truly dire and alarming numbers of applicants to teacher training this year. They have also introduced early career payments in shortage areas. They have yet to extend this logic to increasing teacher pay to retain more experienced teachers - the ones who are crucial in training and supporting the new and early career teachers.

I'm not suggesting in the slightest that teachers are more deserving than other workers, or that we have it harder than other workers. If you have also not had a pay rise in years, that's unacceptable. If you are balloting for strike action, or undertaking strike action to try to improve your working conditions, then all power and support to you. I really hope that school support staff join us in taking action.

This government is ruining the country. I think everyone can see that now. Instead of proposing increases to public funding, they are proposing further cuts. But we've already cut everything.

They'll claim there is no money, but then propose tax cuts for the best off. They'll reject windfall taxes even when Shell is asking for them. They'll claim that higher wages will increase inflation so they can't possibly increase wages, while talking about how important it is to move to a higher wage economy. Not higher wages for the ordinary worker though, they mean the ones already on high wages. The ones who would have benefited from the 45p tax rate cut that they've already had to u-turn on.

The DfE have said that strike will damage the education of children, that they can't afford to miss out on more school. Teachers, if they vote to strike, will be voting for better education. We want a qualified, decent teacher in front of every class. This is absolutely not happening at the moment, and will not have a chance of happening unless teacher pay and conditions improve.

TLDR: Support teachers; the government are self-interested, public service destroying, incompetent shitheads.

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RunAwayTurnAwayRunAwayTurnAway · 15/10/2022 20:59

DinosApple · 15/10/2022 19:38

@Postapocalypticcowgirl
I had no idea thank you! Might make up for last year's extra 2p an hour or whatever it was.
Unfortunately I didn't joing the union when I started, but I am definitely going to. That would make the difference between staying and going (for now).

What's holding you back? You could join a union right now. You seem to be delaying.

itsgettingweird · 15/10/2022 21:00

Well tadpole the hope is it works by the government having a better pan to use spending wisely and on the public services which benefit society.

They managed to find 37m or something to waste on T and T.

Instead of paying privatised companies who don't maintain their services they need to invest in education and health. Invest in the future generation of this country who will be the ones bringing the money in.

After all - they themselves have said frequently that people should be demanding better pay or getting better paid jobs in this current climate of cost of living crisis.

I'm absolutely sure no one will mind when the nurses, care staff and teachers etc do exactly that.

BridetoBee · 15/10/2022 21:00

I’m a teacher and I haven’t got a problem with the 5% but it will cripple my school budget which is already so low we have hardly any support staff or resources.

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GuyFawkesDay · 15/10/2022 21:02

Yep, another one without any problems with 5% but the fact it's coming out of school budgets means a huge gap in provision for the kids.

There's little enough in the tank anyway!

itsgettingweird · 15/10/2022 21:06

Schools won’t get any more funding. So it doesn’t help the kids at all, only your own pocket.

Schools will technically get more funding in that they won't be paying an extra 5% to teachers from their already stretched budget (a decade of real term cuts).

Students are already being taught in schools that can't retain or hire and who can't afford basic equipment.

It'll get worse and worse.

Yes students will be disrupted for a day. But it could create a better future education system.

Postapocalypticcowgirl · 15/10/2022 21:06

Tadpoll · 15/10/2022 20:48

So you’re striking to prove a point to parents? Believe me, we know how bad things are.

No, I'd be striking for better pay and working conditions.

Maybe you know how bad things are, but I've spoken to many parents over the last year who genuinely have no idea.

eldorado02 · 15/10/2022 21:06

Well said, OP. Solidarity!

noblegiraffe · 15/10/2022 21:12

And before you say ‘write you your MP’ - believe me, if you knew who my MP was you wouldn’t bother.

Write to your MP asking for your concern to be forwarded to Kit Malthouse, Secretary of State for Education. You will get a reply from the DfE.

If your child’s education has been screwed by underfunding and lack of teachers, get them to write too.

If you’re a parent concerned about the impact of strikes on your employment, do the same.

It’s super easy, use www.writetothem.com and remember to ask for it to be forwarded to Kit Malthouse.

That’s if you are in England. Elsewhere, not sure.

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Tadpoll · 15/10/2022 21:16

AntlerRose · 15/10/2022 20:54

I have written to my mp, met with my mp and attended a focus group with my mp.

My mp is jeremy hunt.

This.

I’ve written to my MP too. He doesn’t care.

And - direct quote from Jeremy Hunt today:

”I'm going to be asking all government departments to find additional efficiency savings."

Teachers are living in a parallel universe if they think parents can just write to their MPs and they’ll magically fix it.

MrsHamlet · 15/10/2022 21:17

Tadpoll · 15/10/2022 21:16

This.

I’ve written to my MP too. He doesn’t care.

And - direct quote from Jeremy Hunt today:

”I'm going to be asking all government departments to find additional efficiency savings."

Teachers are living in a parallel universe if they think parents can just write to their MPs and they’ll magically fix it.

We don't think that. We're not stupid.

But if everyone just buries their heads in the sand, we're all complicit in this appalling state of affairs.

Littlebluedinosaur · 15/10/2022 21:17

I left teaching this summer. I would support a strike but I would support a serious work to rule from teachers and TAs more. The system relies on so much unpaid work. Proper work to rule (no doing things because it’s for the children!) would be an effective way of putting pressure on the government but wouldn’t upset parents. No clubs, no trips, no subject leadership if time isn’t given, only being on site for directed hours and so on. Core education provision still there but that’s it.

BonnesVacances · 15/10/2022 21:18

DH is a teacher and if things don't improve in schools, he's out. Life is too short for the relentlessness of swimming upstream every single day.

He teaches a shortage subject and is head of an understaffed department where kids are being taught by supply teachers who don't plan lessons or mark them so other teachers have to do that on top of their own workload.

He's trying to provide a glimmer of the education these poor kids deserve at the expense of his own mental health and family. I think striking for a day to improve education provision for little Johnny is better than Johnny having no teacher. IMO.

MrsHamlet · 15/10/2022 21:19

The NASUWT are balloting both for ASOSA and for strike action.

Tadpoll · 15/10/2022 21:20

MrsHamlet · 15/10/2022 21:17

We don't think that. We're not stupid.

But if everyone just buries their heads in the sand, we're all complicit in this appalling state of affairs.

There’s no burying of heads in the sand here.

I still do not support strikes that will make young people miss even more schooling, however poor it is.

Workyticket · 15/10/2022 21:22

Full support from me @noblegiraffe

I'm doing days 8, 9 and 10 on strike with UCU in Further Education this week

It's hideous - we've been offered 2.5% and our CEO is NOT budging. Not sure what we'll do next

Pumperthepumper · 15/10/2022 21:22

Tadpoll · 15/10/2022 21:16

This.

I’ve written to my MP too. He doesn’t care.

And - direct quote from Jeremy Hunt today:

”I'm going to be asking all government departments to find additional efficiency savings."

Teachers are living in a parallel universe if they think parents can just write to their MPs and they’ll magically fix it.

What do you suggest instead? What’s the magic solution here?

Postapocalypticcowgirl · 15/10/2022 21:23

Littlebluedinosaur · 15/10/2022 21:17

I left teaching this summer. I would support a strike but I would support a serious work to rule from teachers and TAs more. The system relies on so much unpaid work. Proper work to rule (no doing things because it’s for the children!) would be an effective way of putting pressure on the government but wouldn’t upset parents. No clubs, no trips, no subject leadership if time isn’t given, only being on site for directed hours and so on. Core education provision still there but that’s it.

I get why you think this, but I think it would be worse for students, teachers would struggle with it emotionally, and actually the government wouldn't care all that much.

I think strikes, which would cause indirect disruption to the economy due to parents having to take time off work, have more impact on the government than working to rule in schools. I don't think the current government care if kids in state schools get clubs and trips, really.

We've had four education secretaries in something like 8 months- I don't think any of them really care about the quality of education children receive. But an actual strike is much harder to ignore.

noblegiraffe · 15/10/2022 21:24

Pumperthepumper · 15/10/2022 20:43

I honestly don’t think threads like this help. Teachers need to get better at voting with their feet and stop relying on public sympathy. People will only care about school funding when it impacts their lives, and striking is one way to do that.

You cannot go on strike without attempting to engage with the people who will be impacted by the strike. If the strike has public support then it is less easily ignored than one that just pisses everyone off.

If you want the narrative about these potential strikes to be allowed to be driven by the Daily Mail and Telegraph, then I think that's a mistake.

This thread, and the public mood feels far more supportive than it did during the Gove strike.

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roarfeckingroarr · 15/10/2022 21:24

FFS again?

JustBkind · 15/10/2022 21:24

I work in school and deal with staff absence. Never before have I seen such a dire situation! We can’t cover staff with agencies as there is no one wanting to cover, and we can’t recruit, as no one wants the work. TA pay is unsustainable and yet they are vital in school but they don’t earn a good wage at all. Something needs to be done in terms of salaries and funding for schools because the education system, like the NHS, is at rock bottom.

Postapocalypticcowgirl · 15/10/2022 21:30

BTW, I have experience of doing ASOAS in a school over one specific issue. And honestly, although the issue was resolved in the end, I'd say we'd have been better off going for a short term strike and probably getting things resolved more quickly.

The other issue with this is you have to be really really clear on what staff are obliged to do, and what they're not (or what they're not doing as part of the ASOAS)- if someone messes up, it can become difficult for them. And some management will use this against staff and try to persuade them they have to do certain things.

Support staff and staff who weren't in a union were also asked to do tasks that we weren't doing, and this didn't help the atmosphere.

For me, although we got the result we wanted, I think we'd have actually been better off striking for one or two days, and I think everything would have been resolved so much more quickly.

Pumperthepumper · 15/10/2022 21:30

noblegiraffe · 15/10/2022 21:24

You cannot go on strike without attempting to engage with the people who will be impacted by the strike. If the strike has public support then it is less easily ignored than one that just pisses everyone off.

If you want the narrative about these potential strikes to be allowed to be driven by the Daily Mail and Telegraph, then I think that's a mistake.

This thread, and the public mood feels far more supportive than it did during the Gove strike.

I think the public would be much more supportive if the strike was framed as ‘your kids are being failed’ rather than ‘teachers deserve a pay increase inline with inflation’. The general public do not give a fuck what teachers are paid, or their workload, or their working hours. But they absolutely do care when (as a recent thread on here shows!) their kid is assaulted and there is absolutely nothing that can be done about it because education is expected to be all things to all men, including social care and high welfare burdens.

FistFullOfRegrets · 15/10/2022 21:32

JangolinaPitt · 15/10/2022 17:42

Yawn - propaganda post from (presumably a teacher?) to lobby for higher pay.

ODFO

noblegiraffe · 15/10/2022 21:33

I think the public would be much more supportive if the strike was framed as ‘your kids are being failed’ rather than ‘teachers deserve a pay increase inline with inflation’

But we are not allowed to strike over children being failed. We are only allowed to strike over pay and conditions.

Therefore, the official reason for the strike has to be to ask for a pay increase, even if it then gives an opportunity to list the many, many issues with underfunding education.

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itsgettingweird · 15/10/2022 21:34

There’s no burying of heads in the sand here.

I still do not support strikes that will make young people miss even more schooling, however poor it is.

So you would rather no strike and a continuation of the decimation of the education system over a one day strike and the future education being improved?

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