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Teachers balloting for strike action - school closures

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noblegiraffe · 15/10/2022 17:08

A pre-ballot poll from the NEU suggests that the ballot will be in favour.

The NASUWT have announced that their ballot will open around 27th October in England, Scotland and Wales, and will close on 9th January, I assume that the NEU will be doing similar and it would be joint action.

Strike action would mean school closures around Jan/Feb time and obviously this will impact parents who need to start thinking about arrangements for this eventuality. Please consider emailing your MP asking them to forward any concerns about this to Kit Malthouse, Secretary of State for Education, as any pressure on him from parents to avert strike action by entering pay negotiations would be highly welcome.

The current pay offer of 5% for most teachers is unfunded, meaning that it has to come out of current school budgets. This means that the pay rise will result in cuts to education provision for your children. However, this offer is after over a decade of real terms pay cuts for teachers and with inflation at 10%, teachers cannot afford more pay cuts and to continue to shoulder the burden of government financial incompetence and deliberate running into the ground of public services any longer.

The unions are asking for an above inflation fully funded pay rise for teachers. A teacher pay rise, any teacher pay rise, cannot come out of current school budgets as this will mean a lower quality of education for your children. This could involve even bigger class sizes, even fewer courses on offer, even less provision for SEN children, fewer school trips and extra curricular activities.

School funding has been devastated by the Tory government over the last 12 years. SEN funding has been cut: the impact falls on schools and teachers to deal with. CAMHS funding has been cut: the impact falls on schools and teachers to deal with. Schools are being asked to solve more and more of society's issues, with fewer and fewer resources. It's unsustainable.

People will tell you that teachers are well paid and don't deserve a pay rise. However, we have a critical shortage of teachers, and the obvious conclusion is that if we can't get teachers for the pay that is on offer, then the pay is not enough. Market forces, right?

The government know the impact of increasing pay to attract and keep teachers; they have, this week, announced a big increase to the teacher training bursaries in response to the truly dire and alarming numbers of applicants to teacher training this year. They have also introduced early career payments in shortage areas. They have yet to extend this logic to increasing teacher pay to retain more experienced teachers - the ones who are crucial in training and supporting the new and early career teachers.

I'm not suggesting in the slightest that teachers are more deserving than other workers, or that we have it harder than other workers. If you have also not had a pay rise in years, that's unacceptable. If you are balloting for strike action, or undertaking strike action to try to improve your working conditions, then all power and support to you. I really hope that school support staff join us in taking action.

This government is ruining the country. I think everyone can see that now. Instead of proposing increases to public funding, they are proposing further cuts. But we've already cut everything.

They'll claim there is no money, but then propose tax cuts for the best off. They'll reject windfall taxes even when Shell is asking for them. They'll claim that higher wages will increase inflation so they can't possibly increase wages, while talking about how important it is to move to a higher wage economy. Not higher wages for the ordinary worker though, they mean the ones already on high wages. The ones who would have benefited from the 45p tax rate cut that they've already had to u-turn on.

The DfE have said that strike will damage the education of children, that they can't afford to miss out on more school. Teachers, if they vote to strike, will be voting for better education. We want a qualified, decent teacher in front of every class. This is absolutely not happening at the moment, and will not have a chance of happening unless teacher pay and conditions improve.

TLDR: Support teachers; the government are self-interested, public service destroying, incompetent shitheads.

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Pumperthepumper · 17/01/2023 15:34

Everyonehasavoice · 17/01/2023 15:04

Non of them spoke English as a first language, it was Ireland.

There was one Down’s syndrome and he went to a special school in Dublin.
No idea about the others my parents didn’t list them all it was back in 1935. They all remained in Ireland and my parents caught up with them every year when we went back. They became farmers, millers, estate agents that sort of thing. No one seemed to have suffered, no one had any hang ups. I dare say given todays statistics some of them must have had dyslexia, adhd etc etc, but everyone thrived and my mum said one of her brothers definitely had dyslexia and the teacher helped him read as part of the general class lesson.

Technology and understanding has moved on with everything.
I’m sure you’re aware adhd etc are new terms.
Im sure you’re fully aware these terms didn’t exist in 1935
You know the answer so no need to patronise and ask the question.

That doesn’t mean children weren’t helped and supported,

They weren’t helped and supported, they were sent away. ADHD and ASD didn’t evolve recently, kids with ASD have always existed. What a rose tinted view of the past you have.

These are all mainstream issues in classrooms today. No external support, no EdPsych, very little PSA support, no access to CALMS, and generations of trauma. And kids are being failed. Education funding has been cut to the bone, and it continues to be cut. And it’s the kids who are suffering.

Everyonehasavoice · 17/01/2023 15:50

No rose tinted view
That’s why I said ‘ these are new TERMS’
I didn’t say they didn’t exist
I noted they are more understood now

PS. Mum just told me they had a lot of German Jewish refugees in their class.

PPS. I teach music to SEN kids at a number of schools, so I do experience attitudes and behaviour of both parents and students. I’m 56 and they have plummeted in the last 20 years.

Pumperthepumper · 17/01/2023 15:52

Everyonehasavoice · 17/01/2023 15:50

No rose tinted view
That’s why I said ‘ these are new TERMS’
I didn’t say they didn’t exist
I noted they are more understood now

PS. Mum just told me they had a lot of German Jewish refugees in their class.

PPS. I teach music to SEN kids at a number of schools, so I do experience attitudes and behaviour of both parents and students. I’m 56 and they have plummeted in the last 20 years.

But they being new terms is completely irrelevant. They still existed when your parents were at school, they just weren’t in mainstream classrooms.

Now they are. And their needs aren’t being met.

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cantkeepawayforever · 17/01/2023 15:53

Many disabled and deprived children didn’t attend school at all, or were sent away, or were in ‘institutions’ (other grandfather spent 3 years in hospital after contracting polio, little or no education).

Everyonehasavoice · 17/01/2023 15:55

Wrong
They we’re all in the same class.
All ages
All abilities
One school room class
Except for Downs-syndrome
Mum says there was about 50 of them ( dad different part of Ireland, same thing )
No bad behaviour
Teacher dealt with those that struggled whilst the others worked

Everyonehasavoice · 17/01/2023 15:58

can’t keep away forever

Yes I agree
I had an uncle and aunt sent away to a TB sanitorium and there weren’t any lessons whilst they were there. A few years.
These days that’s not the case
My son had lessons whilst in hospital

cantkeepawayforever · 17/01/2023 16:01

The thing is, you don’t know that those you never see are missing, if that makes sense?

I could say ‘every ability was in my primary class’. It was only years later that I realised that those who ‘should’ have been there - the Travellers, those who had sensory impairments, those who had cerebral palsy, those with severe learning disabilities, those who had behavioural difficulties, simply weren’t there. They never entered mainstream. They either didn’t attend or went to a range of other institutions - and I only discovered that through a member of the family having a related job.

Everyonehasavoice · 17/01/2023 16:10

cantkeepawayforever

I completely understand where you’re coming from.
However, this is Ireland. Small town. If someone sneezed you’d know about it.
Everyone knew everyone and if someone didn’t get to mass you’d be around to check on them. So mum says you’d know if kids didn’t go to school and the teacher would go round and knock on the door. Or. The priest would take your kids away. Which nearly happened to my mums 3 younger siblings when my grandad was struggling on his own and they pretended to leave home and go to school ( 3 miles away ) but never got there.

So actually, whatever your issue, you had to be there.
I know all schools , probably most schools, weren't the same. Especially in big towns.
My point is it was possible to help everyone.

Pumperthepumper · 17/01/2023 16:25

Everyonehasavoice · 17/01/2023 15:55

Wrong
They we’re all in the same class.
All ages
All abilities
One school room class
Except for Downs-syndrome
Mum says there was about 50 of them ( dad different part of Ireland, same thing )
No bad behaviour
Teacher dealt with those that struggled whilst the others worked

How many incontinent kids? How many fifteen year olds who couldn’t read? How many who had seen one of their parents overdose on heroin? How many who became so overstimulated by being a room with forty nine other kids that they started throwing chairs in a panic?

Pumperthepumper · 17/01/2023 16:26

And also, @Everyonehasavoice in more recent times, how many kids with the above issues were in your class at school? How many in your kids’ classes?

MsNightingale · 17/01/2023 16:35

I fully support the industrial action. I am not a teacher.
I also support nurses, doctors, ambulance staff, legal and court staff, rail staff...
And I'm not one of those either.

Everyonehasavoice · 17/01/2023 20:36

#Pumperthepumper
Answer to first question @16:25.
None, they left school at 12/14 yrs
There was no heroin or drugs in the middle of nowhere in Ireland
No furniture to throw around, They sat on the floor ( mum just confirmed that one, even I’m shocked )
Everyone smiled and worked away, no tantrums.

Everyone learnt to read and write, you can still see some of the stories they wrote beautifully on some Irish websites.

Answer to second question @ 16:26pm
I went to a Catholic school
It was not a selective school and in fact lots of people took exams to go to Grammars ( but they weren’t Catholic so we didn’t). The point is a lot of the cramming kids went elsewhere. So my school had failed 11plusers and Catholics.

It was strict
I don’t recall any disruption of any sort in any of my classes
I recall one kid that always arrived late for my O level TD class which disrupted the class, so he took his lesson in the headmasters office after a term or so.

My boys also went to a very strict school, yes sir no sir type. Open doors for teachers etc. Lots of church services, 3 a week. Arriving early to do that. Lots of sports, finishing late to do that. Students and teachers show respect for each other
They love/d it and the respect has rubbed off and become a way of life.
Anyone who was disruptive would get immediate detention. My boys never said anyone was.

I know you probably wont believe that. But then I was surprised when my cousin said her daughters school was disruptive.

Of the various schools I teach in, however, I see a lot of disruption, lack of control, lack of respect. I’ve even seen a parent try to hit a teacher with the kid ( about 11) joining in!!!

Off to parents evening now, unpaid as I’m freelance, but that’s ok. I love what I do.

Everyonehasavoice · 17/01/2023 21:02

#flowerpower1983
This is is quick one as I’m waiting for students to turn up to my unpaid parents evening!!

just spotted your comment
Higher education is not about making more money it’s about higher education, learning more. Questioning more and challenging your brain to be better at what you enjoy. It’s very sad if you think it’s just about money.

You may have missed a previous post, possibly it was after yours but I’m not scared of working in schools, concerned I might not ‘cut it’ because I do work in schools. Freelance, no union, instrumental lessons ( for whoever wants it ) and music for SEN at several schools.

Highfivemum · 18/01/2023 10:34

I have been a primary teacher since leaving school. I have only recently returned following maternity leave. I thinking of leaving. It is not the job I trained and have worked so hard for. I am a mother at home and at school. I hardly get any time to teach properly as having to parent and do reports for children with extra needs . When I started I had one child with extra needs. Now I have two thirds of the class with various needs ranging from language/behavioural/autism etc. I have one TA at present as we cannot recruit more and funding is so bad within the school I have to pay for all my teacher aids. I did not come into teaching to not be able to teach. My take home pay after travel and spending money on resources is less than tesco staff. I arrive at 7:30 and leave never before 5:30 pm. Tow nights out of three I have to stay much later due to parents wanting meetings/ staff meetings/ school clubs etc.
I have been offered another job and I am looking at taking it. We are losing teachers all the time. It is so sad and the schools are in a worse state than ever

Highfivemum · 19/01/2023 08:06

Everyonehasavoice · 17/01/2023 02:48

Im afraid I have no sympathy for striking teachers jumping on the bandwagon when private sector workers are not getting any kind of rise with inflation.
If I was unhappy with my non existent pay rise this year, last year, etc etc I would just have to leave my job if the pay was more important than job satisfaction.

With a bachelors and masters degree and earning much less than teachers ( mostly bachelors degrees only) I don’t think it’s fare they should put the entire country into disarray by striking. They are using the potential disruption as a previous post noted in the hope of getting a rise the rest of us aren’t getting.
A post here also notes they hope they are being paid whilst they strike, if they do I won’t be paid whilst I’m at home doing their job, so why should they be.
Ive shared houses with teachers working in senior schools as science teachers and the only one working long hours was me, not a teacher. They all ‘joined teaching’ for the hours. All this nonsense about excessive hours is an excuse …it’s simply not true. Perhaps teachers should join the private sector in which most professionals won’t have a job or any career profession unless they work till the last bus home.

If they're not happy in the job they should find another.

And that’s exactly what we are all doing.
my DH god daughter is training to be a teacher at Uni at the moment. She will be 80.000 pounds in debt by end of course. On her course a third have already left following placements in schools where they have been put in the classroom to teach children, our children, having no qualification or experience as the REAL class teacher is dealing with other school issues that fundings have been removed for.
it is not all about pay. I am a teacher and yes the pay is poor but my main reason for wanting to leave now is the funding of the schools. The pressures put on teachers to be parents / social workers and actually not be able to teach as they want to. Children are suffering. I get so frustrated when I see a 6 year old child who wants to learn but because I am dealing with 8 special needs causes in the class who cannot get funded as it takes years I cannot teach.
children are not getting the education they deserve the action by the teachers is not just for the pay but for the children’s future.

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