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Teachers balloting for strike action - school closures

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noblegiraffe · 15/10/2022 17:08

A pre-ballot poll from the NEU suggests that the ballot will be in favour.

The NASUWT have announced that their ballot will open around 27th October in England, Scotland and Wales, and will close on 9th January, I assume that the NEU will be doing similar and it would be joint action.

Strike action would mean school closures around Jan/Feb time and obviously this will impact parents who need to start thinking about arrangements for this eventuality. Please consider emailing your MP asking them to forward any concerns about this to Kit Malthouse, Secretary of State for Education, as any pressure on him from parents to avert strike action by entering pay negotiations would be highly welcome.

The current pay offer of 5% for most teachers is unfunded, meaning that it has to come out of current school budgets. This means that the pay rise will result in cuts to education provision for your children. However, this offer is after over a decade of real terms pay cuts for teachers and with inflation at 10%, teachers cannot afford more pay cuts and to continue to shoulder the burden of government financial incompetence and deliberate running into the ground of public services any longer.

The unions are asking for an above inflation fully funded pay rise for teachers. A teacher pay rise, any teacher pay rise, cannot come out of current school budgets as this will mean a lower quality of education for your children. This could involve even bigger class sizes, even fewer courses on offer, even less provision for SEN children, fewer school trips and extra curricular activities.

School funding has been devastated by the Tory government over the last 12 years. SEN funding has been cut: the impact falls on schools and teachers to deal with. CAMHS funding has been cut: the impact falls on schools and teachers to deal with. Schools are being asked to solve more and more of society's issues, with fewer and fewer resources. It's unsustainable.

People will tell you that teachers are well paid and don't deserve a pay rise. However, we have a critical shortage of teachers, and the obvious conclusion is that if we can't get teachers for the pay that is on offer, then the pay is not enough. Market forces, right?

The government know the impact of increasing pay to attract and keep teachers; they have, this week, announced a big increase to the teacher training bursaries in response to the truly dire and alarming numbers of applicants to teacher training this year. They have also introduced early career payments in shortage areas. They have yet to extend this logic to increasing teacher pay to retain more experienced teachers - the ones who are crucial in training and supporting the new and early career teachers.

I'm not suggesting in the slightest that teachers are more deserving than other workers, or that we have it harder than other workers. If you have also not had a pay rise in years, that's unacceptable. If you are balloting for strike action, or undertaking strike action to try to improve your working conditions, then all power and support to you. I really hope that school support staff join us in taking action.

This government is ruining the country. I think everyone can see that now. Instead of proposing increases to public funding, they are proposing further cuts. But we've already cut everything.

They'll claim there is no money, but then propose tax cuts for the best off. They'll reject windfall taxes even when Shell is asking for them. They'll claim that higher wages will increase inflation so they can't possibly increase wages, while talking about how important it is to move to a higher wage economy. Not higher wages for the ordinary worker though, they mean the ones already on high wages. The ones who would have benefited from the 45p tax rate cut that they've already had to u-turn on.

The DfE have said that strike will damage the education of children, that they can't afford to miss out on more school. Teachers, if they vote to strike, will be voting for better education. We want a qualified, decent teacher in front of every class. This is absolutely not happening at the moment, and will not have a chance of happening unless teacher pay and conditions improve.

TLDR: Support teachers; the government are self-interested, public service destroying, incompetent shitheads.

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PatchworkElmer · 15/10/2022 17:25

It’s awful, the country is in a complete mess and I do sympathise with teachers.

BUT. Unfortunately I think parents are so weary from covid, school closures and home education that a lot will have very little time for this. Plus a 5% payrise would be a dream for many in the private sector and it could easily make teachers look ‘greedy’… These factors are almost certainly what the government is banking on.

I fully understand where you’re coming from though. Intellectually I understand teacher’s position and completely agree that the Tories have screwed over the education system in this county. However, as a mother of a child who finally has a consistent routine and is progressing well in school after years of being in and out due to covid… and working in a demanding job for an employer who accommodated my childcare requirements during the lockdowns but might be less patient this time… I feel distinctly unimpressed at the prospect. Certainly I think my position on this will be something akin to sitting on the fence.

Bunce1 · 15/10/2022 17:28

I support the strike action. You’re absolutely right op

BonnesVacances · 15/10/2022 17:33

PatchworkElmer · 15/10/2022 17:25

It’s awful, the country is in a complete mess and I do sympathise with teachers.

BUT. Unfortunately I think parents are so weary from covid, school closures and home education that a lot will have very little time for this. Plus a 5% payrise would be a dream for many in the private sector and it could easily make teachers look ‘greedy’… These factors are almost certainly what the government is banking on.

I fully understand where you’re coming from though. Intellectually I understand teacher’s position and completely agree that the Tories have screwed over the education system in this county. However, as a mother of a child who finally has a consistent routine and is progressing well in school after years of being in and out due to covid… and working in a demanding job for an employer who accommodated my childcare requirements during the lockdowns but might be less patient this time… I feel distinctly unimpressed at the prospect. Certainly I think my position on this will be something akin to sitting on the fence.

Did you miss the part where even the 5% pay rise will come from school budgets and that's the problem too? So this affects all children, not just the teachers.

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Sparklythings1 · 15/10/2022 17:35

Totally right, in Scotland our ballot closes mid November so I don’t know when the strikes will be 🤔 At this point in time no amount of money could keep me in a classroom though unfortunately. I am just completely done with it. If any of the parents who want to complain were to stand in my shoes on a Monday morning for even 15 minutes their mind would change instantly. It’s so horrific what teachers have to endure these days, eventually someone will realise that and change the whole system hopefully

Gilead · 15/10/2022 17:38

I fully support all teachers.

AntlerRose · 15/10/2022 17:38

I am fully behind the asking for the rise to be fully funded.

PatchworkElmer · 15/10/2022 17:38

BonnesVacances · 15/10/2022 17:33

Did you miss the part where even the 5% pay rise will come from school budgets and that's the problem too? So this affects all children, not just the teachers.

No, I didn’t, but thanks for checking my comprehension skills.

I knew I’d get jumped on when I posted but these threads can become echo chambers otherwise.

I’ve said I fully understand and fully sympathise. But for my family, NOW, this will present a significant amount of grief after years of grief. I suspect lots of the people I know will roll their eyes, if I’m honest- especially if large proportions of the media follow the ‘greedy teacher’ line.

I’m not saying I’m not in favour, but I can’t enthusiastically get behind teachers on this.

It’s obviously very easy to say, but people need to stop voting Tory 🤷🏻‍♀️

noblegiraffe · 15/10/2022 17:39

However, as a mother of a child who finally has a consistent routine and is progressing well in school after years of being in and out due to covid…

I totally understand. If your child has a consistent teacher, consistent routine, a nice class where all pupils are well supported, and is not currently impacted by the huge staffing issues facing schools, then your child is one of the lucky ones.

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JangolinaPitt · 15/10/2022 17:42

Yawn - propaganda post from (presumably a teacher?) to lobby for higher pay.

PatchworkElmer · 15/10/2022 17:42

noblegiraffe · 15/10/2022 17:39

However, as a mother of a child who finally has a consistent routine and is progressing well in school after years of being in and out due to covid…

I totally understand. If your child has a consistent teacher, consistent routine, a nice class where all pupils are well supported, and is not currently impacted by the huge staffing issues facing schools, then your child is one of the lucky ones.

Yep- they are. I am fully, fully aware of that. Like I say, I understand your position. I know it’s awful in schools at the moment. But I do think a lot of parents won’t be giving their enthusiastic consent to yet more short term disruption to education for promised long term gains (whoever is making the promises- government or unions).

Clearly it’s ridiculous to take the 5% out of school budgets. Clearly. I’m not saying it isn’t.

noblegiraffe · 15/10/2022 17:44

But I do think a lot of parents won’t be giving their enthusiastic consent to yet more short term disruption to education for promised long term gains

What is the alternative? Seriously? Schools cannot continue like this, the system is falling apart.

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SPH112 · 15/10/2022 17:44

Here, here OP. You are spot on. The tory government are scum

JangolinaPitt · 15/10/2022 17:44

Everyone is in the same position. Teachers are not a special case.

SPH112 · 15/10/2022 17:45

JangolinaPitt · 15/10/2022 17:42

Yawn - propaganda post from (presumably a teacher?) to lobby for higher pay.

Higher pay not of of the school budget..... they don't want to take further money away from the struggling school and most importantly the children

SPH112 · 15/10/2022 17:45

SPH112 · 15/10/2022 17:45

Higher pay not of of the school budget..... they don't want to take further money away from the struggling school and most importantly the children

Out of*

AntlerRose · 15/10/2022 17:46

I do think that patchwork is correct that the media and many parents wont get behind it though.
If you think of the rail ones, they kept in going on about train drivers earning a lot and not listening that it was a support staff strike

PatchworkElmer · 15/10/2022 17:47

noblegiraffe · 15/10/2022 17:44

But I do think a lot of parents won’t be giving their enthusiastic consent to yet more short term disruption to education for promised long term gains

What is the alternative? Seriously? Schools cannot continue like this, the system is falling apart.

I have no idea. But you’ve effectively asked if parents will give their support to the strikes, and I just feel that’s a huge ask at the moment. Unfortunately I think we’ve all got used to public services going to hell in a hand cart under this government, and people just want to cling on to what they can get now.

PatchworkElmer · 15/10/2022 17:48

AntlerRose · 15/10/2022 17:46

I do think that patchwork is correct that the media and many parents wont get behind it though.
If you think of the rail ones, they kept in going on about train drivers earning a lot and not listening that it was a support staff strike

And very similar has happened with the port strikes recently…

noblegiraffe · 15/10/2022 17:48

JangolinaPitt · 15/10/2022 17:44

Everyone is in the same position. Teachers are not a special case.

I said that in my OP. I want everyone to have a decent salary.

Have you got kids in state education? Easy to dismiss concerns if you've no skin in the game I suppose.

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noblegiraffe · 15/10/2022 17:49

Unfortunately I think we’ve all got used to public services going to hell in a hand cart under this government, and people just want to cling on to what they can get now.

Under the current proposals, things are going to get worse.

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PatchworkElmer · 15/10/2022 17:51

noblegiraffe · 15/10/2022 17:49

Unfortunately I think we’ve all got used to public services going to hell in a hand cart under this government, and people just want to cling on to what they can get now.

Under the current proposals, things are going to get worse.

Yep. I understand that. I honestly fully understand everything you’re saying and pre-DC and covid I would’ve been giving loud and enthusiastic consent. But now, as a parent, after everything we’ve been through… It’s a big ask for parents to see the ‘bigger picture’ on this when so many of us barely have our heads above water day to day.

MrsHamlet · 15/10/2022 17:54

JangolinaPitt · 15/10/2022 17:44

Everyone is in the same position. Teachers are not a special case.

We're not saying we are. We are saying that an unfunded pay rise is a disaster for the students.

Muchtoomuchtodo · 15/10/2022 17:55

I fully support strike action from teachers, but please remember that education is a devolved matter so for those of us outside of England, MP’s wouldn’t be the right person to contact (just as well, my Tory MP is next to useless).

Parker231 · 15/10/2022 17:56

My next door neighbour is a teacher of 24 years and she says all her school are voting for the strike as the only way to get the governments attention is to cause as much distribution as possible.

TeenDivided · 15/10/2022 17:56

I think some people are missing this from the OP:

Please consider emailing your MP asking them to forward any concerns about this to Kit Malthouse, Secretary of State for Education, as any pressure on him from parents to avert strike action by entering pay negotiations would be highly welcome.

No one wants the teachers to strike. However pay rises do need to be properly funded by the government. Schools are running on bare bones as it it. The point is to put pressure to do decent negotiations before any strikes happen, not wait until after.

Above inflation rises might be aiming a bit high in the current climate, but fully funded inflation linked rises should be doable.

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