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Teachers balloting for strike action - school closures

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noblegiraffe · 15/10/2022 17:08

A pre-ballot poll from the NEU suggests that the ballot will be in favour.

The NASUWT have announced that their ballot will open around 27th October in England, Scotland and Wales, and will close on 9th January, I assume that the NEU will be doing similar and it would be joint action.

Strike action would mean school closures around Jan/Feb time and obviously this will impact parents who need to start thinking about arrangements for this eventuality. Please consider emailing your MP asking them to forward any concerns about this to Kit Malthouse, Secretary of State for Education, as any pressure on him from parents to avert strike action by entering pay negotiations would be highly welcome.

The current pay offer of 5% for most teachers is unfunded, meaning that it has to come out of current school budgets. This means that the pay rise will result in cuts to education provision for your children. However, this offer is after over a decade of real terms pay cuts for teachers and with inflation at 10%, teachers cannot afford more pay cuts and to continue to shoulder the burden of government financial incompetence and deliberate running into the ground of public services any longer.

The unions are asking for an above inflation fully funded pay rise for teachers. A teacher pay rise, any teacher pay rise, cannot come out of current school budgets as this will mean a lower quality of education for your children. This could involve even bigger class sizes, even fewer courses on offer, even less provision for SEN children, fewer school trips and extra curricular activities.

School funding has been devastated by the Tory government over the last 12 years. SEN funding has been cut: the impact falls on schools and teachers to deal with. CAMHS funding has been cut: the impact falls on schools and teachers to deal with. Schools are being asked to solve more and more of society's issues, with fewer and fewer resources. It's unsustainable.

People will tell you that teachers are well paid and don't deserve a pay rise. However, we have a critical shortage of teachers, and the obvious conclusion is that if we can't get teachers for the pay that is on offer, then the pay is not enough. Market forces, right?

The government know the impact of increasing pay to attract and keep teachers; they have, this week, announced a big increase to the teacher training bursaries in response to the truly dire and alarming numbers of applicants to teacher training this year. They have also introduced early career payments in shortage areas. They have yet to extend this logic to increasing teacher pay to retain more experienced teachers - the ones who are crucial in training and supporting the new and early career teachers.

I'm not suggesting in the slightest that teachers are more deserving than other workers, or that we have it harder than other workers. If you have also not had a pay rise in years, that's unacceptable. If you are balloting for strike action, or undertaking strike action to try to improve your working conditions, then all power and support to you. I really hope that school support staff join us in taking action.

This government is ruining the country. I think everyone can see that now. Instead of proposing increases to public funding, they are proposing further cuts. But we've already cut everything.

They'll claim there is no money, but then propose tax cuts for the best off. They'll reject windfall taxes even when Shell is asking for them. They'll claim that higher wages will increase inflation so they can't possibly increase wages, while talking about how important it is to move to a higher wage economy. Not higher wages for the ordinary worker though, they mean the ones already on high wages. The ones who would have benefited from the 45p tax rate cut that they've already had to u-turn on.

The DfE have said that strike will damage the education of children, that they can't afford to miss out on more school. Teachers, if they vote to strike, will be voting for better education. We want a qualified, decent teacher in front of every class. This is absolutely not happening at the moment, and will not have a chance of happening unless teacher pay and conditions improve.

TLDR: Support teachers; the government are self-interested, public service destroying, incompetent shitheads.

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Piggywaspushed · 17/10/2022 19:26

Atmywitsend29 · 17/10/2022 19:19

I love the "if you aren't happy just LEAVE" people. My absolutely favourite kind of idiot.

What do you think happens when the teachers leave? Nurses leave? Paramedics leave? Posties leave? Rail support staff leave? Firemen leave?
So desperate to sneer at people fighting for better conditions, but what happens in the future?
The people that leave due to poor conditions and dismal wages or burnout can't just be replaced. Hence the massive shortage in nurse numbers, and how is that knock on effect working out for everyone.

Sadly, this attitude goes right to the top - Therese Coffey told unhappy nurses to leave. Incredible.

Postapocalypticcowgirl · 17/10/2022 19:29

Atmywitsend29 · 17/10/2022 19:19

I love the "if you aren't happy just LEAVE" people. My absolutely favourite kind of idiot.

What do you think happens when the teachers leave? Nurses leave? Paramedics leave? Posties leave? Rail support staff leave? Firemen leave?
So desperate to sneer at people fighting for better conditions, but what happens in the future?
The people that leave due to poor conditions and dismal wages or burnout can't just be replaced. Hence the massive shortage in nurse numbers, and how is that knock on effect working out for everyone.

Yep. It's exactly the same in teaching. Plenty of people have left already. There are a lot of schools with huge gaps in staffing- just the same as hospitals. And I absolutely support nurses, doctors, paramedics etc in fighting for better pay and working conditions.

It's perhaps not so obvious, because schools try not to leave classes with no-one at all to teach them. So they get in supply, or get a non-subject specialist to take the class, or they find someone willing to work as an unqualified teacher- basically put a plaster on the situation, and hope it'll improve next year. Either that, or they increase class sizes, or change the timetable so the gap isn't such a problem.

This has been going on for years, certainly as long as I've worked as a teacher!

But we're getting to the point where it's unsustainable for schools. Last winter, some schools closed temporarily due to lack of staff- obviously isolation due to covid was the cause, but I wouldn't actually be surprised if some schools did the same this winter. Staff sickness + already using a lot of supply in long term posts + cuts to support staff numbers means we could see the situation of winter school closures becoming normalise.d

noblegiraffe · 18/10/2022 11:56

Blimey, the National Association of Headteachers are officially balloting for strike action over pay, with a preliminary poll suggesting it would be successful.

They’ve never gone on strike in over 100 years.

This just demonstrates the depth of feeling headteachers have against the government and the appalling way they’ve been treated these last few years. If they had any goodwill towards the government this would absolutely not be happening.

schoolsweek.co.uk/naht-will-ballot-heads-for-strike-over-pay-for-the-first-time/

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Celarra · 18/10/2022 15:03

I can vote for that! Not because of my pay ( no longer in school) , but because of all of the other factors listed. Head teachers will want there to be changes for the sake of children and for the sake of the education system. Schools cannot run without adequate funding.

In primary, head teachers and deputy head teachers are in most cases the safeguarding leads. This will close schools under not being able to keep children safe.

Whinge · 18/10/2022 17:36

noblegiraffe · 18/10/2022 11:56

Blimey, the National Association of Headteachers are officially balloting for strike action over pay, with a preliminary poll suggesting it would be successful.

They’ve never gone on strike in over 100 years.

This just demonstrates the depth of feeling headteachers have against the government and the appalling way they’ve been treated these last few years. If they had any goodwill towards the government this would absolutely not be happening.

schoolsweek.co.uk/naht-will-ballot-heads-for-strike-over-pay-for-the-first-time/

I wonder how long it will be before a poster on MN moans about them going on strike again. 😅

VerifiedBot2351 · 23/10/2022 12:06

@Parker231 redundancies are already being discussed in schools. Class sizes will swell, and children, especially those with special needs, will suffer.

TheNefariousOrange · 23/10/2022 12:37

On Friday it was announced we were maxing classes at 34. My gcse class will have some new starters as they've let new kids in off the waiting list, I'm assuming to increase our budget. My subject had 30, thus had vacancies they had to take. This will affect the top end because all my class time will go to pushing from the bottom to get the pass statistics so the mistakes the top end make will go unnoticed until I mark their work. Because of the length of time it takes me to mark 10 classes of 34 students in a heavy writing based subject, they'll get their work seen once per half term. Behaviour managing classes of 34 kids all day long, including those with SEN, is going to zap me of all energy which means things like lunchtime support sessions will not be feasible.

Parents should be seething. Not seething at me because I'm unwilling to take away yet more unpaid hours from my family and give to theirs, but seething at the government for putting their children in these positions whilst they don't have to deal with the effects because their children are in elite schools with more money.

Navigatingnewwaters · 23/10/2022 14:29

TheNefariousOrange · 23/10/2022 12:37

On Friday it was announced we were maxing classes at 34. My gcse class will have some new starters as they've let new kids in off the waiting list, I'm assuming to increase our budget. My subject had 30, thus had vacancies they had to take. This will affect the top end because all my class time will go to pushing from the bottom to get the pass statistics so the mistakes the top end make will go unnoticed until I mark their work. Because of the length of time it takes me to mark 10 classes of 34 students in a heavy writing based subject, they'll get their work seen once per half term. Behaviour managing classes of 34 kids all day long, including those with SEN, is going to zap me of all energy which means things like lunchtime support sessions will not be feasible.

Parents should be seething. Not seething at me because I'm unwilling to take away yet more unpaid hours from my family and give to theirs, but seething at the government for putting their children in these positions whilst they don't have to deal with the effects because their children are in elite schools with more money.

It’s disgusting.

RubyJam · 16/11/2022 23:45

I don’t agree with teachers striking for pay
In Scotland the teachers salary of a 5 year qualified teacher is double the national average salary here.
( The salaries are published on the EIS website and some head salaries are eye watering ).
We are in a cost of living crisis and teachers are not lowly paid.

What I would back , and support would be some sort of return to “ learning support “ classes. The inclusion policy is hindering every other child’s education to the point of children being shell shocked having to endure children with severe ADHD and other issues being “included “ in day to day classes.
If teachers were striking to say “ let’s get more support for education “ then yes perhaps I’d be behind it.
But as it stands , no.
There are many minimum workers who will have to take unpaid time off too enable this strike.

noblegiraffe · 16/11/2022 23:55

If teachers were striking to say “ let’s get more support for education “ then yes perhaps I’d be behind it.

As has been pointed out, we are not allowed to strike about that. If we were allowed to strike about that we'd have probably been on strike for the last 12 years.

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yellowstickerbargain · 16/11/2022 23:59

TheNefariousOrange · 23/10/2022 12:37

On Friday it was announced we were maxing classes at 34. My gcse class will have some new starters as they've let new kids in off the waiting list, I'm assuming to increase our budget. My subject had 30, thus had vacancies they had to take. This will affect the top end because all my class time will go to pushing from the bottom to get the pass statistics so the mistakes the top end make will go unnoticed until I mark their work. Because of the length of time it takes me to mark 10 classes of 34 students in a heavy writing based subject, they'll get their work seen once per half term. Behaviour managing classes of 34 kids all day long, including those with SEN, is going to zap me of all energy which means things like lunchtime support sessions will not be feasible.

Parents should be seething. Not seething at me because I'm unwilling to take away yet more unpaid hours from my family and give to theirs, but seething at the government for putting their children in these positions whilst they don't have to deal with the effects because their children are in elite schools with more money.

Absolutely superbly articulated

derxa · 17/11/2022 08:34

I am part of a silent group. Teachers who left because of bad treatment in school by SLT. TBH I don't have much sympathy

Gruffling · 17/11/2022 08:43

I support teachers striking and I support the funded pay rise.

How has it come to this, why aren't parents demanding better funding for education.

MsLucyEyelesbarrow · 17/11/2022 08:46

This government is destroying our country. I support strike action.

(I am not a teacher, nurse, doctor, lawyer, or any of the other striking professions)

L1ttledrummergirl · 17/11/2022 08:49

I fully support the teachers strikes. Like the nurses, it's not the pay aspect, it's because they need more of them to reduce the workload, reducing the stress levels, improving their health and wellbeing and allowing them to support our dc by doing the job they were trained to do.

Right now they are running on empty, they need a complete overhaul and refuelling.

2greenroses · 17/11/2022 08:54

RubyJam · 16/11/2022 23:45

I don’t agree with teachers striking for pay
In Scotland the teachers salary of a 5 year qualified teacher is double the national average salary here.
( The salaries are published on the EIS website and some head salaries are eye watering ).
We are in a cost of living crisis and teachers are not lowly paid.

What I would back , and support would be some sort of return to “ learning support “ classes. The inclusion policy is hindering every other child’s education to the point of children being shell shocked having to endure children with severe ADHD and other issues being “included “ in day to day classes.
If teachers were striking to say “ let’s get more support for education “ then yes perhaps I’d be behind it.
But as it stands , no.
There are many minimum workers who will have to take unpaid time off too enable this strike.

What! where do you get the idea that a teacher with 5 years experience is getting double the average pay?

Awkwardusername · 17/11/2022 08:56

As an ex-teacher, I completely support the strike (I’ll admit I filled in the preliminary ballot saying I’d strike even though I don’t work there anymore).

I do think teachers wages aren’t terrible, but also I took a £15k pay cut to leave so obviously no amount of money would have kept me there; I wonder if it’s the same for others?

Regardless, teachers are consistently made to look like they’re greedy and lazy when in fact, they’re worth their weight in gold and if a pay rise is going to help support them, I’m absolutely all for it!

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 17/11/2022 10:05

I don’t agree with teachers striking for pay
In Scotland the teachers salary of a 5 year qualified teacher is double the national average salary here

Some supply teachers earn the equivalent of minimum wage.

A teacher spends 4 years at university. They deserve a decent salary. Does everyone on average salary spend 4 years at university?

Piggywaspushed · 17/11/2022 15:03

The average annual salary in Scotland is £31,605.

A teacher who has been working for 5 years gets more than 362 k? Away an boil yer heid.

Piggywaspushed · 17/11/2022 15:03

Ahem £62k. But you get my point.

Piggywaspushed · 17/11/2022 15:06

Perhaps you mean median pay which is seen as a fairer measure - that's £26,007 in Scotland. So, a classroom teacher after 5 years in Scotland is on £52k. Right-o.

FrippEnos · 17/11/2022 16:55

It amazes me that teachers average pay is so high given that the pay tops out at just under £42 for a classroom teacher.

Piggywaspushed · 17/11/2022 17:00

www.eis.org.uk/pay-and-conditions-of-service/salary-scales

Piggy looks and attempts to find eye watering salaries,

Piggy's eyes remain dry of water.

GuyFawkesDay · 17/11/2022 17:24

@FrippEnos I think the average includes headteachers and all SLT up to chief exec of the MAT! Skews the average

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