Lucy Letby Court Case

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Today has been the first day of the trial, which is expected to last for six months. One thread has already been pulled on the subject. Upon deletion MNHQ said that a thread about the case is fine but please read the rules around contempt of court before posting... these are copied and pasted here:
Publicly commenting on a court case:

You might be in contempt of court if you speak publicly or post on social media.
For example, you should not:
say whether you think a person is guilty or innocent
refer to someone’s previous convictions
name someone the judge has allowed to be anonymous, even if you did not know this
name victims, witnesses and offenders under 18
name sex crime victims
share any evidence or facts about a case that the judge has said cannot be made public

If any of the above take place then new threads will also be pulled. Let's please try and keep it going!

maybe case is not on today ? Can’t find live feeds either.

Maybe. I've just checked the listing for Mamchester Crown Court and she was listed for last week but for today. Can't search ahead so not sure if she's there tomorrow.

I wonder if, given the expected length, the court won't gather during school holidays?

On Friday Chester Standard DID say the witness on Friday would continue to give evidence today but I can't find anywhere covering today. It's a bit odd.

Dan O’Donoghue, BBC journalist, has been tweeting from court today..

Just had a look at the Dan O'Donoghue tweets -thanks @CassTheFox Interesting testimony at the end of the day by one of the doctors as tweeted by Dan O'Donoghue:

"Paediatric consultant Dr Ravi Jayaram is now giving evidence. He is taking the jury through his recollection of the evening Child A died...he says the baby's deterioration 'didn't fit to me with any disease process that I have seen, learned or read about'
Dr Jayaram told the court that when he raised initial concerns about Ms Letby he was told 'not to make a fuss' by senior managers, he said he 'wished' he had been 'more courageous' in reporting his concerns. The case has been adjourned until tomorrow."

Not to make a fuss??!! This stuff is scary…

where have the live updates gone???

I so pity the jury on that trial. Jurors deserve far better pastoral care than they usually get. I hope considerable care is given to whoever is forced onto this trial.

I was juror on a murder case that overran by several weeks. It gave me nightmares and I ended up on antidepressants for a while because I couldn't get the facts out of my head. It is way more affecting than you might realise because you are subjected to incredible detail, photos, insider knowledge, day in day out, relentlessly and can't tell anyone, so there's no way to offload. Meanwhile the faces of the victims' loved ones haunt you, sitting in court every day with such grief on their faces. It was bloody harrowing and this case is so so much worse in every way.

Live updates are back today:

www.chesterstandard.co.uk/news/23075662.live-lucy-letby-trial-tuesday-

That mus pt have been awful @goldfinchonthelawn . Was there any official assistance, counselling, advice, or follow up afterwards?

Blimey, that's awful, I hope you're getting past it now.

I’m so sorry you had to go through that. I hope you can heal x

1:02pm
Dr Bohin is asked how much of an air embolus would be considered fatal to a child of Child A's size?
She says that 3-5ml of air per kilogram of body weight "could be fatal".
She explains Child A weighed 1.6kg [about 3.5lb].
"A teaspoon of air?" Nicholas Johnson KC, prosecuting, asks.
"Well, that is 5ml of air, so yes," replies Dr Bohin.

1:02pm
Mr Johnson: "What, in your opinion, killed [Child A]?"
Dr Bohin: "[Child A] was killed by an air embolus."

Be interesting to see what the defence do with this.

From a personal point of view this is really hitting home, I have twins, born 7 weeks early and one of my DD's weighed exactly the same as Child A - 1.6kg. They spent 3 weeks in NICU. I think about just how tiny she was then (her sister was a bit more robust and much stronger). My girls were born on the wednesday and I really suffered with hemorrhaging so I was on a maternity ward 2 floors under NICU. On the friday morning I dragged myself out of bed, got the lift up 2 floors and pressed the buzzer to be let in. As I walked through the door the receptionist said to a nurse "one of those twins has taken a turn for the worse in the night" I just froze and looked at her. She had no clue who I was (she should have known), as I walked into the nursery there was a nurse standing over my DD's incubator with a concerned look on her face. I honestly thought I was going to faint.

My DD's breathing had taken a turn for the worse in the night and sepsis was suspected. No one came to notify me, no one called my husband, even if it wasn't life threatening as her mother I had a right to know. In the end all was ok, she had a scan and a course of antibiotics.

For months and months I ran that same scenario through my head over and over again. In all honesty I should have complained but I didn't.

The latest evidence answers some of the questions on here, there were odd things happening and much earlier suspicions from more experienced people that weren't listened to

No, there was nothing. We were complimented for being an exceoptional jury (meaning we'd been told it would last 2 weeks, it lasted 9 and none of us dropped out, even though some were clinging on to their livelihoods by their teeth.) I lost a very lucrative long term contract as a result.

All we got was dispensation from jury service for five years. That five years is up now.

My advice is: if you are called to do jury service at the local magistrates court, do it! You'll have a few days of people who nicked packets of batteries from Tesco. Not two months of brutal murder details.

Thank you all the lovely posters who offered kind thoughts. It was five years ago but I still remember how harrowing it was. Definitely a low point of my life. I am genuinely concerned for the jurors on this case.

So when exactly did Dr Jayaram start voicing his suspicions? After Baby B but before Baby K? I cannot believe he (and the others) were told not to make a fuss over their suspicions. Imagine how many babies could have been potentially saved.

Potentially is a keyword there. We've still yet to see all the evidence and whether Letby is found innocent or guilty. If she is guilty then I absolutely agree with you that no-one should be saying don't create a fuss.

Opting for the magistrate's court isn't possible, I'm afraid. They don't sit with juries.

No, each case has to be considered on its own. The jury can't say "the evidence on case 6 is really flimsy but we are satisfied beyond reasonable doubt that she's is also guilty in that case because of the evidence we have heard about a number of totally different cases".

Yes, you're right. I meant the local courts where they do the small cases. I turned down a jury call to the local court as it clashed with a work project I had to complete. They let me off but next time I was summoned I had to go, and that time it was Old Bailey which has much tougher cases. That's what I meant.

No one has to do more than two weeks Judy

you are asked prior to the case if they know it’s a long one - they ask if you would do a longer case

so you kinda heave the heads up that it’s serious in advance

some people (my dad) love doing Judy service as he make money on it generally

whereas my boss wouldn’t release me for longer than the mandatory two weeks

Is it my imagination or is the court sitting for longer days now? I think they were starting at 10:00 and finishing at about 4:00 but yesterday I think they started at 9:30 and finished just after 4:30. If this is correct, does anyone know the reason?

How horrible for Babies A & B that they were both left without fluids for four hours. Very suboptimal care from the hospital.

And now an angle the defence can exploit .

I don’t think it’s relevant to the case, but really shocking that a nurse suggested the parents were done saying goodbye to their baby before he’d even died.