Lucy Letby Court Case

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So has Sky stopped reporting now? Is there anywhere I can read the live updates?

No, Sky are reporting still - news.sky.com/story/lucy-letby-trial-live-nurse-accused-of-killing-seven-babies-goes-on-trial-12716378

Thankyou

Yes sorry that's who I meant, yes.

Prosecution reports Letby took photos of brothers Child O and Child P in their cots after they died.

This could be the key piece of evidence (what has been listed is all pretty circumstantial unfortunately)

When police raided LL’s house they found several interesting post it notes and pieces of paper with colleagues names and ‘Why/how has this happened – what process has led to this current situation. What allegations have been made and by who? Do they have written evidence to support their comments?’

On another piece of paper, she wrote: 'I don’t deserve to live. I killed them on purpose because I’m not good enough”.

“'I am a horrible evil person' and in capital letters, 'I AM EVIL I DID THIS'.

Yes. I did Jury Duty and we could make notes but we had to leave our notes on our seat before we left the courtroom each day.

If these notes actually exist and are proven to be hers, I wonder why she pleaded NG.

On another piece of paper, she wrote: 'I don’t deserve to live. I killed them on purpose because I’m not good enough”.

“'I am a horrible evil person' and in capital letters, 'I AM EVIL I DID THIS'.

My God. How will the defence defend this?

I too am curious as to how the defence are going to refute these notes and ‘confessions’ if they are found to be genuine.

I also wonder why it took until Doctor G having suspicions (from Child Q) to have it brought up and reported to the police. Well done to Doctor G!

On another piece of paper, she wrote: 'I don’t deserve to live. I killed them on purpose because I’m not good enough”.
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“'I am a horrible evil person' and in capital letters, 'I AM EVIL I DID THIS'.

Christ, I did not see that coming.

Specific emphasis in the prosecution’s opening case (and reporting) on the move from night to day shifts is presumably part of focusing the jury on how the pattern of incidences moved with the individual. Important as it highlights these were not about issues more generally on night shifts, as that changed.
The reporting were in the public mainstream, the Consultants were trying to figure out what was going on before they noticed the patterns being presented now and called in the police. If I come across the specific sources again I will link.
Statistical patterns were also core to the Beverly Allitt case. She maintained her innocence until after conviction.

I’ve just seen on sky that yes the consultant was concerned about LL directly with the collapses and deaths and that was exactly why she was moved to day shifts instead 🤦‍♀️ dies anyone know how many deaths occurred after this point - there potentially IF she is guilty was a chance to stop it much earlier IF that were the case

Me neither. Jesus.

This is what I’ve seen reported - they needed to have acted to remove a person if they suspected a correlation this serious. Yes as far as evidence it shows the trend continued but surely at the time the reasoning wasn’t to compile evidence for a future unknown about trial ???? The only thing they should have been doing was protecting babies in the unit not doing their own investigation

I think the first time it was noted that Doctors were becoming concerned was Dr Jayaram. This was before Child K, who was in his care.

It was after Child K that she was switched to day shifts (although it appears from evidence she did end up on another night shift).

So L-Q could have been saved if they had acted faster and put her on admin duties.

(please correct me if I’m wrong here!)

This

The notes are interesting because they also claim innocence. There is probably an element of mental illness (maybe even stress by feeling accused or vulnerable to accusation rather than pre existing) but I won't suggest any particular condition.

The post it note is being to be bloody hard to defend

Yes. If this turns out to be the case it’s horrendous

There is always the possibility that those notes mean that she felt like she killed them due to her lack of bring good at her job, rather than she actively seeked to do harm.

In the way a parent may feel like it was their fault if their child died in a car crash even though the parent was driving safely.

Just realised my post might be misleading. Not all children L-Q died, so I wish to redact what I said to ‘allegedly being attacked’.

New post:

I think the first time it was noted that Doctors were becoming concerned was Dr Jayaram. This was before Child K, who was in his care.

It was after Child K that she was switched to day shifts (although it appears from evidence she did end up on another night shift).

So L-Q could have been saved from being allegedly attacked if they had acted faster and put her on admin duties.

I'm curious too....

The Jury have been shown a chart with all 17 babies and then marks of which staff were on duty at the time of incident/death.

Will there be a time when the number of incidents and deaths total (not in this case) across the ward will be mentioned? How many resuscitation, interventions and deaths happened at times LL was not on the ward?

Similarly; how many babies was LL caring for over her time there that were completely without incident?

@BBernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz I suspect the defence will do something along those the line but as the prosecution went first they want the jury to believe her guilt