Teachers potentially striking again

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Teachers want a pay rise above the rate of inflation this time.

1. Yes, don't we all?!
2. Haven't kids missed enough school?

So it's ok for everyone else to strike but not teachers because this causes you far too much of an inconvenience?

You do realise how contradictory this is don't you OP? You've demonstrated how much you need teachers to be available yet don't support them being paid fairly to be available.

Teachers did work all the way through the pandemic. They also don't get paid for the 'holidays'. You seem to have mistaken teachers for babysitters. You need a babysitter if the teachers strike. It's very manipulative to use the argument 'what about the children?' and their lost schooling during the pandemic when your real issue is 'what about me?'.

Are you asking the rail drivers to do their job, sorry I must have missed your thread on that topic!

You do realise there is both a retention and recuriemt crisis in teaching, something the government is doing nothing to improve. If teachers don’t challenge the government there is real risk of that getting much worse.

I ask you again OP, when was the last time teachers / school staff went on strike?

If a strike doesn't cause disruption it isn't working. The entire point of a strike is that the disruption or threat of disruption is bad enough that the govt is forced to make changes.
If schools lose enough teachers and can't recruit new or trainees to replace, they will close permanently. Teachers are leaving and the new ones entering teacher training are not doing so in enough numbers to replace them.
If schools cannot find the money to pay the proposed increase (let alone the one that would leave teachers able to survive financially), they will make staff redundant.
This is entirely down to conditions and pay.

The govt can afford to cut tax for high earners but not pay public servants? No. Just no.

I don't want just teachers to strike, I want the whole countries to strike until people understand how we are being destroyed. The conservatives are literally breaking our economy. They want to bottom out the public sector. Schools need to fight. The NHS won't exist if they stay in power.

CitrusSparklePinkClouds
If you care about kids at all, keep schools open.

Yes use emotional blackmail, the same shit that has kept schools running for years. Its also the same bull that twats4themsevlevs pulled during covid whilst teachers were working.

But where are your threads on the dock workers, or the train strikes?
Is it because they don't affect you?

As for not voting tory, not many teachers do.

I was at school in the eighties where we had many random days of being at home due to teacher strikes. We all did ok, it did t ruin our lives. As a teacher I’ll be striking because the alternative is worse for our students.

No, you're asking them to shut up and continue to watch as persistent underfunding damages their lives, their schools and the lives of their pupils/students. All because the alternative is inconvenient for you. What's worse is that you're doing it under the red herring of "Think of the children!" when that's exactly what teachers are doing and, quite frankly, why they have put up with the shite this Government has thrown on them for so long.

If you truly wanted the best for children, you'd support any strike that comes and direct your frustrations and your energy at those who should receive it: the MPs.

I have not once said they shouldn't be paid more.
I HAVE said, many other people need paying more too. They would loose their jobs if they went on strike.
It's a very tough time right now for EVERYONE. Not just teachers.
My point is that striking hurts the lower paid parents & their kids.
It's not going to get sympathy from this government.
It's going to piss many people off.
And hurt children further.
I believe strongly we need better funded public services. I believe this will be achieved by voting the Tories out.
I'm off now. I can't be bothered going round in circles.

I'm off now. I can't be bothered going round in circles.

Roughly translated to

I'm off now as i've made a fool of myself.

Then write to your MP and ask them to fully find a pay increase to avoid the strikes as education, as you do rightly say, is vital.

I totted up last night and since we went back to school on 6th September, I have spent £53 of my own money on things for my class.

Some paint, a book, some Italian food to try on languages day, some card for our DT project, some pencil pots for the felt tip pens- that I also bought.

I can't do this any more - it has to stop or my own dc will end up going without. It's getting ridiculous as each year my school can afford less and I have made up the shortfall but I can't afford to any more.

In my class there are 3 children who need a 1:1.
They get one to share for 2 hours a day. It's unacceptable and unfair on them, me but to be honest, mostly on the other children who end up with less of me as I have to help those 3 disproportionately more, and their learning is disrupted. I used to have a class TA. Then it was a key stage one - now only 1:1 get them - and as you can see, not even that.

Trips will not happen either - voluntary contributions rarely cover them and there is no spare money.

I love my job. I care about my children.
That's why I have voted to strike - and why you should support us.

There were teaching strikes on 2013, 2014 and 2016 and also in 2008 . The strike in 2016 closed 7000 schools .

Good luck to them and everyone else who is striking to prevent themselves from having what is otherwise a pay cut.

let’s get angry at the system that lets the rich get richer while the poor get poorer rather than with people who are fighting for What they deserve

I'm a teacher. If I could strike about the absolute shitshow that is our education policy at the moment I absolutely would. The lack of funding in schools is absolutely crippling. We have no money for anything in my school. That crappy piece of art work that you put straight in the bin? Guess who paid for that card, paint, new brushes, aprons, etc etc. Because it wasn't the school!!!

But I can't.

I am only allowed to strike about my pay and conditions.

Voters seem to take absolutely no notice of what is happening to education under the Tories.

So yes I'll strike. For a FULLY FUNDED pay deal. Because I don't want this money coming out of school budgets and taking even more away from YOUR CHILD!

FFS wake up a bit. This isn't about missing a day of education.

How will thinking about supermarket workers enable teachers to achieve the pay rise they deserve?

The alternative is having experienced, professional specialists leave the profession to work in the private sector. Where will that leave our children?

I'm off now. I can't be bothered going round in circles.

Roughly translated as I don't have a valid argument. I just think teachers should put up and shut up and then when the schools all close due to the lack of recruitment shit budgets and poor retention I'll blame those lazy workshy teachers some more for not putting my children first.

Why not stay and defend your goady post and educate yourself on who you should be angry at, I'll give you a clue it's not the teachers.

So how would you propose to secure fair pay for teachers? I'd love to hear it.

Would you rather all the really good teachers left to work in the private sector? Would you prefer schools stayed open but your children had interchangeable supply teachers, bigger classes, and didn't have their work monitored or marked as often?

I'm off now. I can't be bothered going round in circles.

lol literally everyone on this thread knows that this translates as:

My initial point was shit, I couldn’t defend it and had no comeback to any of the valid points made to counter it so I’m leaving because I’ve realised that I’ve made a complete fool of myself.

If you care about kids at all you should support the strike.

I want better funding and better conditions for school staff.

I’m going to emphasise here that the recent pay award is UNFUNDED so schools will have to fund this from their already stretched budgets. Meaning a further cut in resources, support staff, etc. That is the reason I will be voting to strike.

It's not complicated to understand. But just because you aren't in a position to strike, why should that mean teachers can't take up their right to industrial action?

Teachers have a right to strike for fair pay. They are choosing to do this rather than just abandon their students and find other better paid professions. They are trying everything before they give up on their professions and work elsewhere.

Teachers are university educated, highly professional, highly motivated, well informed and organised. Most would walk into other much better paid jobs. Where would that leave our children?

More people should strike - why should we accept poorer pay and poorer conditions?

I'm not a teacher but I fully support their right to strike. If the Govn really cared about the education of our kids, they'd pay the professionals properly.

Thank you for the work you do, many of us appreciate it hugely.

My sister (a teacher) was telling me that most teachers in her Dept now have or are looking for extra work. Obvious jobs like extra tutoring, but one works as a bank receptionist, another does take away delivery- weekend work etc

I think teachers (and all public sector workers actually) should have a wage that's liveable