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Anxiety/sensitivity taking over DD(8)'s life

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CoodleMoodle · 13/09/2022 21:28

DD is 8 and is unhappy a lot of the time. She worries about absolutely everything, even things that have nothing to do with her or anybody close to her.

She has always been a sensitive/anxious child, but it's got worse and worse over the last few months. So much so that, last term, her school suggested she attended a club with other kids who have similar anxieties. She also had a one-to-one meeting once a week with another lady, who is an educational mental health practitioner. DD really enjoyed these sessions, but they didn't seem to help her very much, and she masked a lot of her anxieties. The sessions have stopped now, and I don't think she's "allowed" to start again.

Her biggest thing is when she gets things "wrong". If she forgets something or doesn't do something perfectly, she gets herself into a total state of panic, sometimes absolute fury at herself. Over the summer holidays she was more at peace with herself, but if she ever did anything "wrong" (in her eyes!), it was the end of the world - sobbing, shouting, hating herself. I'm talking things like colouring outside the lines, spelling something incorrectly, not being able to do a handstand. She can't laugh at herself AT ALL, if that makes sense. Since she went back to school last week it's started building up again.

Today has been awful for her. She came out of school very upset, because she forgot to tell her teacher that she was allowed to walk through her brother's class (he's just started reception and is on the other side of the school) instead of me having to run around to pick her up in time. She's been so excited to be allowed to do it, and was devastated that she forgot. She came out and was immediately furious with me, then she sobbed on and off all the way home. It took her ages to calm down. And to top it off she then went back to Brownies this evening, and something tiny went wrong there as well and she cried all the way home from there, then pretty much continuously until she went to bed. I asked her how I could help and she screamed, "you can't, because I don't know what's wrong with me!" Its not the first time she's said that, and I hate hearing her talk about herself so negatively. (Also, I understand that the things going wrong aren't "tiny" to DD, just that they would be to others.)

DD is very well behaved, very academically able (she could read fluently at 3, for example) and very creative, but not so good at physical activities apart from swimming. She REALLY beats herself up about this. We went out for an afternoon with one of her friends, and DD got upset because she couldn't climb trees as well or do the monkey bars, etc. We always try to compliment her when she's done well at ANYTHING, along with praising her if she's been kind, telling her how much we love her and how awesome she is in general, etc. We don't put too much pressure on her with schoolwork and homework, but obviously encourage her to do it. Homeschool was a complete and total nightmare.

We also try not to talk about ourselves or other people negatively, although we do joke about not being so good at climbing and so on (all of us, not just DD!), to show her that it doesn't really matter and not everybody can be good at everything. She usually agrees with this until it comes time to do it, and then she falls apart at the slightest sign she might not be perfect at it. She's a perfectionist about everything, as a matter of fact, and is very easily frustrated/put off if she isn't brilliant at something on the first try. She does tell us if she thinks she's done well, like being the top reader in the class, and she's not bothered about not being the best at other subjects, but it's like she sets herself impossible personal goals and then is crushed when she just can't reach them.

School did vaguely suggest we should have her assessed, and I really think she should be. I'm going to talk to them about it this week. In the meantime, I want to help her but I just don't know how. I was a desperately unhappy child but I was severely bullied/isolated at school and had no friends at all. DD has an absolutely lovely group of friends, with no problems between them that I'm aware of (I've done my best to check). Her best friend moved to a different school this year which obviously doesn't help, but this has been going on since long before we even knew about that.

She's not unhappy ALL of the time. DD loves reading, writing, drawing, playing video and board games, playing with her brother (when she's not worrying about him), swimming, going to the park or other outside spaces. When she's happy she's an absolute delight. Everyone tells us how lovely she is, how smart, how confident. And she IS all of those things, and so much more. But she gets so upset about things and then gets even more upset at the thought that she's spoiled things for herself/DS/us.

Sorry this is such a long, garbled mess. I just want to help my little girl and I don't know what to do.

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Bubblegumpoppop · 13/09/2022 21:40

I'm so sorry to hear about both you and your daughter's situation, my son was very anxious from the age of 10, I had to push push push for support it was a very long journey but now at the age of 17 he is getting there. My advice would be to definitely get your daughter assessed and hopefully you will be able to get support you need for your daughter to get better. Please feel free to ask Mr more questions and I will help if I can. Good luck.OP 💐

CoodleMoodle · 13/09/2022 21:54

@Bubblegumpoppop Thank you for your reply. I'm sorry to hear your DS suffered as well, although glad to hear he's getting there.

I'm going to push the school because, although they've picked up on it, I'm not sure they've realised how bad it gets. She definitely keeps most of it in until she comes home and then it explodes out. I can't remember a day where she's come home from school without being upset or furious or some combination of both. It hasn't happened for a long time and it breaks my heart along with being extremely frustrating. It's awful dreading picking her up because I know she's going to take it all out on me (understandably, but still).

She was given coping strategies in her anxiety group/one to one but they don't seem to work. Or she refuses to try them because she's convinced they won't help.

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BudgetBlast · 13/09/2022 22:03

Honestly as I read down all I could think of was it would be worth getting her assessed. ND often have anxiety as a co morbidity. Sensory issues children can’t fully articulate, social challenges they aren’t sure about etc dent confidence and cause anxiety.

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SheldontheWonderSchlong · 13/09/2022 22:08

She sounds EXACTLY like my dd who is 10 and currently waiting for an ASD assessment.
I would look at some of the Girl with the Curly Hair stuff - especially the book about Asperger's in younger girls and see if any of it rings true.
My dd went to bed sobbing tonight for some ostensibly silly reason, but to her it was after a long day of masking everything at school and she just couldn't hold it together any more.

Bubblegumpoppop · 13/09/2022 22:09

CoodleMoodle · 13/09/2022 21:54

@Bubblegumpoppop Thank you for your reply. I'm sorry to hear your DS suffered as well, although glad to hear he's getting there.

I'm going to push the school because, although they've picked up on it, I'm not sure they've realised how bad it gets. She definitely keeps most of it in until she comes home and then it explodes out. I can't remember a day where she's come home from school without being upset or furious or some combination of both. It hasn't happened for a long time and it breaks my heart along with being extremely frustrating. It's awful dreading picking her up because I know she's going to take it all out on me (understandably, but still).

She was given coping strategies in her anxiety group/one to one but they don't seem to work. Or she refuses to try them because she's convinced they won't help.

Thank you very much. Aww it's horrendous for you both, yes please do push because schools can be very good at making out that problems are not as bad as they really are. I was also proactive (as luckily I knew the system as I had previously worked in schools with children who needed a little extra help) in finding other agencies in my local area who could also help my son. Unfortunately with mental health especially in children the wait can be forever, I just used to ring every day for and update and to see where he was on the various waiting lists he was on. It was extremely hard but it paid off in the end. Persistency Is the key. During the wait I did pay for him to see various mental health professionals privately as I was so desperate.

GreenIsle · 13/09/2022 22:11

I have nothing to add but I am following because you have basically just wrote about my own 8 year old dd word for word. We have no diagnosis but I'm not sure there is one. Some children are super sensitive, mix of anxiety and low self esteem.

Kanaloa · 13/09/2022 22:14

How do you react to things like coming out of school sobbing over not walking through her brother’s class? Like what is your reaction? Similar with the tree climbing? Do you have any regular reactions to these upsets?

How is her understanding of these meltdowns? Have you talked about the way she is reacting when she’s calm? I find with my son I can’t talk to him about how he’s feeling in the moment, I need to role play with him at a different time to help him understand/learn to react more appropriately.

OldWivesTale · 13/09/2022 22:16

Sounds very much like my dd who we strongly suspect is ASD. I would get her assessed.

Kanaloa · 13/09/2022 22:18

We always try to compliment her when she's done well at ANYTHING, along with praising her if she's been kind, telling her how much we love her and how awesome she is in general, etc.

This also kind of jumped out at me. Do you think maybe she is externalising her feelings a bit/not having space to identify her own feelings? If she is seeing you guys overly praise her for every little thing she may be struggling to identify her own feelings about how she’s down. In the same vein, it may make her feel bad if she doesn’t get that constant praise when she feels she’s ‘failed’ at something. Maybe you could redirect compliments and praise to questions. So rather than her associating doing something well with lots of compliments and failing with being soothed as she sobs, both things could just be ‘oh you were top of reading in class? Wow, how was that?’ And ‘oh you were slow at swimming in swim lessons? How was that for you?’

It might allow her to learn to pick apart her own feelings and maybe start to internalise her self worth rather than basing it on compliments for when she’s been ‘perfect.’

JacktomyDaniel · 13/09/2022 22:19

This could be written about my 7yr old DS. The issue we’re having is that he’s not presenting with enough other issues for Ed psych to present his case. He masks wonderfully to his detriment and aims to please but is an anxious mess everywhere else. Bed wets, barely any finger nails, gives himself upset tummies etc.
its breaking my heart. This has been going on since he was 4.

CoodleMoodle · 13/09/2022 22:31

@BudgetBlast This is my thinking too. She is excellent at masking and it all comes out when she's "safe" at home etc. Her confidence is at rock bottom sometimes and she's begun to slightly struggle socially as they're all getting older. She loves her friends but isolates herself from them when she gets overwhelmed, which makes her even more overwhelmed because she doesn't actually want to do that!

I'm going to speak to school tomorrow if I can.

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Lionsinthemeadow · 13/09/2022 22:33

Agree with following the assessment process.

You said 'We always try to compliment her when she's done well at ANYTHING, along with praising her if she's been kind, telling her how much we love her and how awesome she is in general, etc.'

We've found it helps if you focus your comments on behaviour and effort rather than outcome. She can control how hard she tries but she can't always control whether she can do something or not. Helping her get that sense of being in control sometimes helps with the anxiety.

For the monkey bars situation that means saying 'Well done for giving the monkey bars a try today' or 'I'm really proud you tried the monkey bars even though they are tricky'. You need to help her learn to feel good and proud and in control about giving things her best go. It takes time and repetition but might help a bit.

CoodleMoodle · 13/09/2022 22:34

@SheldontheWonderSchlong @GreenIsle @JacktomyDaniel Sorry to hear your DC have similar (or worse) struggles. DD can be such a happy, confident kid and it's utterly awful seeing her so down about herself and everything else. She's a joy and we're so lucky to have her, and I keep wondering what we've done to make her so anxious all the time.

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HikingforScenery · 13/09/2022 22:39

I agree with seeking help.
in the meantime, this books really helped ‘ The Girl Who never made mistakes’.
There’s a whole series on making mistakes in My Big Journal. You can get free resources

CoodleMoodle · 13/09/2022 22:40

@Kanaloa Thanks for your reply. My reaction is usually calm, assuring her that I understand her worries/frustration. Sometimes I offer her a solution (if there is one) and sometimes I just sympathise. I try desperately not to get frustrated myself, but I can't say I never have. That normally only happens if she's being extremely rude to me, which does happen when things go wrong. I've told her that it's just not acceptable to talk to me the way she does, especially when I'm trying to listen/help.

I mean, I don't sing her praises all the time! If she's proud of something she's done I'll say well done, ask her how she feels about it, something along those lines. Same if she's not done so well. We don't praise her for everything all the time, but of she's done something especially well or we know it's a huge deal for her.

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CoodleMoodle · 13/09/2022 22:44

@Lionsinthemeadow Yes, we do that sort of thing. I don't tend to praise what happened, more that she gave it a go in the first place, especially when it's something she's not so good at.

So with the monkey bars example I'll say pretty much exactly that, and she'll still be furious with herself for ages, and usually with me as well for saying anything. She gives up pretty much immediately but we still tell her it was a good try, etc. It's like she doesn't believe we mean it. She also gets upset if we don't say anything, so we can't really win!

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CoodleMoodle · 13/09/2022 22:45

@HikingforScenery Thank you. I'll check that book (and the other mentioned above) out.

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Kanaloa · 13/09/2022 22:49

What happens if you don’t say anything? So if she gets furious and angry with you and you just say something like ‘oh well never mind’ and go about your day without referencing it/making any remark towards her reaction?

Is it worth talking to her teacher to see if she’s struggling in school too?

Livingthecatlife · 13/09/2022 22:52

No advice, but my DS is exactly the same and I almost wrote a similar post yesterday. He's so so hard on himself and increasingly negative. He has started hitting himself as 'punishment' now. We have a referral for therapy, I'm not sure how much it'll help but I'm trying, especially to help things not escalate into teenage years. It is so hard when they don't hear your reassurances, it's starting to affect my moods too. No diagnosis or assessment here, but we have an otherwise clever, funny loving child.

CoodleMoodle · 13/09/2022 22:53

@Kanaloa Tried this too! She breaks down then, crying "Mummy!" at me and getting more and more distressed until she's a sobbing mess. Then we have a cuddle and she says sorry (she never believes that I accept her apology), and we try to move on but sometimes it takes a long time. I never, ever mention any of her previous meltdowns (if I can call them that) after the fact, either. Once they're done, they're done.

I'm not sure how much her teacher will have picked up on it since she's only known her a week. But I'll definitely talk to the head or one of the deputies if they're on the gate tomorrow, as it was one of them who referred her to the anxiety group in the first place.

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CoodleMoodle · 13/09/2022 23:02

@Livingthecatlife I'm so sorry to hear that. It's heartbreaking to see them like this, to hear them say awful things about themselves. It's also soul destroying to bear the brunt of the anger so much. DD has only hit herself a few times but it worries me that she could start doing it. She's such a sweet soul underneath it all and there's times when I really see it, but it gets buried by her low confidence and worries.

I hope your lovely DS gets the help he needs soon Flowers

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Livingthecatlife · 13/09/2022 23:08

@CoodleMoodle aw thank you, and your DD too. Similarly, I really don't don't where the low self esteem and anxiety have come from, so young too.

ToooOldForThis · 13/09/2022 23:10

Sorry to read about your DD, mine is 11 and very similar. So hard on herself! And when something goes wrong (in her eyes), and I try to reassure her that it's ok, she gets furious and more upset, as if I'm saying it's not a big deal when to her it's a HUGE deal. It's exhausting and I know I don't handle it well.
I worry about her as she gets older and faces exams etc.

CoodleMoodle · 13/09/2022 23:20

@ToooOldForThis Sorry to hear you and your DD are going through similar. I too am dreading when mine is older, although we've got a fair way to go yet! It's hard to know the right thing to say, and sometimes there isn't a right thing to say at all and anything will be taken the wrong way!

It's so sad to read about so many children suffering with anxiety. Thank you to everyone for your helpful comments, I'm definitely going to speak to school once I've dropped them off tomorrow.

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southlondoner02 · 13/09/2022 23:27

My DD can be like this. Have you read Helping Your Child with Fears and Worries by Creswell and Willets. We did some work with an early intervention team a few years ago and they recommended this book. You might find it useful