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Anxiety/sensitivity taking over DD(8)'s life

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CoodleMoodle · 13/09/2022 21:28

DD is 8 and is unhappy a lot of the time. She worries about absolutely everything, even things that have nothing to do with her or anybody close to her.

She has always been a sensitive/anxious child, but it's got worse and worse over the last few months. So much so that, last term, her school suggested she attended a club with other kids who have similar anxieties. She also had a one-to-one meeting once a week with another lady, who is an educational mental health practitioner. DD really enjoyed these sessions, but they didn't seem to help her very much, and she masked a lot of her anxieties. The sessions have stopped now, and I don't think she's "allowed" to start again.

Her biggest thing is when she gets things "wrong". If she forgets something or doesn't do something perfectly, she gets herself into a total state of panic, sometimes absolute fury at herself. Over the summer holidays she was more at peace with herself, but if she ever did anything "wrong" (in her eyes!), it was the end of the world - sobbing, shouting, hating herself. I'm talking things like colouring outside the lines, spelling something incorrectly, not being able to do a handstand. She can't laugh at herself AT ALL, if that makes sense. Since she went back to school last week it's started building up again.

Today has been awful for her. She came out of school very upset, because she forgot to tell her teacher that she was allowed to walk through her brother's class (he's just started reception and is on the other side of the school) instead of me having to run around to pick her up in time. She's been so excited to be allowed to do it, and was devastated that she forgot. She came out and was immediately furious with me, then she sobbed on and off all the way home. It took her ages to calm down. And to top it off she then went back to Brownies this evening, and something tiny went wrong there as well and she cried all the way home from there, then pretty much continuously until she went to bed. I asked her how I could help and she screamed, "you can't, because I don't know what's wrong with me!" Its not the first time she's said that, and I hate hearing her talk about herself so negatively. (Also, I understand that the things going wrong aren't "tiny" to DD, just that they would be to others.)

DD is very well behaved, very academically able (she could read fluently at 3, for example) and very creative, but not so good at physical activities apart from swimming. She REALLY beats herself up about this. We went out for an afternoon with one of her friends, and DD got upset because she couldn't climb trees as well or do the monkey bars, etc. We always try to compliment her when she's done well at ANYTHING, along with praising her if she's been kind, telling her how much we love her and how awesome she is in general, etc. We don't put too much pressure on her with schoolwork and homework, but obviously encourage her to do it. Homeschool was a complete and total nightmare.

We also try not to talk about ourselves or other people negatively, although we do joke about not being so good at climbing and so on (all of us, not just DD!), to show her that it doesn't really matter and not everybody can be good at everything. She usually agrees with this until it comes time to do it, and then she falls apart at the slightest sign she might not be perfect at it. She's a perfectionist about everything, as a matter of fact, and is very easily frustrated/put off if she isn't brilliant at something on the first try. She does tell us if she thinks she's done well, like being the top reader in the class, and she's not bothered about not being the best at other subjects, but it's like she sets herself impossible personal goals and then is crushed when she just can't reach them.

School did vaguely suggest we should have her assessed, and I really think she should be. I'm going to talk to them about it this week. In the meantime, I want to help her but I just don't know how. I was a desperately unhappy child but I was severely bullied/isolated at school and had no friends at all. DD has an absolutely lovely group of friends, with no problems between them that I'm aware of (I've done my best to check). Her best friend moved to a different school this year which obviously doesn't help, but this has been going on since long before we even knew about that.

She's not unhappy ALL of the time. DD loves reading, writing, drawing, playing video and board games, playing with her brother (when she's not worrying about him), swimming, going to the park or other outside spaces. When she's happy she's an absolute delight. Everyone tells us how lovely she is, how smart, how confident. And she IS all of those things, and so much more. But she gets so upset about things and then gets even more upset at the thought that she's spoiled things for herself/DS/us.

Sorry this is such a long, garbled mess. I just want to help my little girl and I don't know what to do.

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Wincher · 13/09/2022 23:30

This sounds very like my 9 year old DS. He seems to struggle most around going back to school time so it’s been a really hard few weeks. He also really hates being the centre of attention at all. He’s just had his birthday and I feel like tonight was the easiest day we’ve had in a while - I think the build up to school plus his birthday was really stressful for him but things are now easing slightly. We didn’t have a party for him, at his request.
it does feel like he can mask it in school but then we bear the brunt at home. I need to have a chat with his new year 4 teacher but I’m sure she will say he’s fine in school and not see the issue at all.
I do think Covid was at the heart of it all. Lockdowns really ravaged so many children’s mental health.

CoodleMoodle · 13/09/2022 23:32

@southlondoner02 No I haven't but I'll add it to my list! Thank you.

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CoodleMoodle · 13/09/2022 23:35

@Wincher Yes, DD can be a bit like that too! She had a very small 8th birthday party at home (her request, 6 of her friends came over for a couple of hours) and she was so stressed the entire time. Then she was devastated that she hadn't enjoyed it. Next year we've agreed it'll be just one or two friends and a trip somewhere, or similar. She'll cope much better with that!

Lockdown probably didn't help, although DD never seemed worried at the time, and she's never mentioned it since. She did enjoy being at home, but she HATED the homeschooling and that was when I really started to notice how badly getting something wrong/not perfect bothers her.

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goldfinchonthelawn · 13/09/2022 23:36

Stop praising her. I know that sounds counter intuitive but there have been studies to indicate that over-praising children leads to anxiety, Because praise is a form of assessment, so they feel like every action in life is being scrutinized and judged. It really doesn't matter how well she ties her shoes or reads aloud or cleans her teeth etc.

Start saying casually to her, 'You know everyone makes mistakes. No one gets through a single day without making mistakes. We all do it. And that's fine. It's how we learn. Some of them are even funny!

Demonstrate self-compassion when you make mistakes by laughing at yourself in a kindly way or by saying, oops, I forgot to phone the plumber/take the cake out of the oven on time etc. I must be a bit tired. Never mind. It'll be fine.

Feetache · 13/09/2022 23:37

Get her assessed

CoodleMoodle · 13/09/2022 23:40

@gogoldfinchonthelawn We've definitely toned down how much we praise her. We weren't overzealous about it anyway but we do our best not to be too proud, if that makes sense, because it makes her uncomfortable. The only issue is she then gets anxious if we don't praise her, asking if we didn't like her picture or her cartwheel or whatever it is! So we have to find the right balance there.

And I absolutely do that when I make a mistake, too. Or if someone else.does. Whoops, haha, never mind, we'll sort it out, it'll be fine, etc etc. I don't stress in front of her/DS if I can help it at all, even if I'm really worried about something!

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Beamur · 13/09/2022 23:52

My DD's first trip to CAHMS was aged 8. Lots of what you say sounds very familiar.
See your GP and get a referral. I have a few suggestions but I will post tomorrow as I need to get some sleep!
Your DD sounds very anxious. Maybe with catastrophic thinking/intrusive thoughts?
My DD also reacts with anger when she's upset but it's directed at herself not others.
You say she was an early reader - have you heard of hyperlexia?

CoodleMoodle · 14/09/2022 11:02

@Beamur Thanks for your reply. I'm not sure if it goes as far as intrusive thoughts yet, but it's definitely a concern. She does catastrophise sometimes.

I've heard of hyperlexia but haven't read much about it. She taught herself to read at age 3, at first we thought she was just memorising books but she wasn't! She was put on an advanced reading program at school at the start of Y1 and now in Y4 she has a reading age of 14 or so.

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CoodleMoodle · 14/09/2022 11:04

I spoke to one of the deputy heads this morning and she said they'll definitely be able to help with getting her assessed, managing her anxiety, etc. I think having the support of the school will be a big help for us and for her.

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Beamur · 14/09/2022 11:22

That sounds really helpful.
I think 8 was when DD's anxiety massively spiked. Some of her behaviours we had just put down to her being quirky started to line up and we realised she was hugely struggling.
So much of what you say rings bells.
Hyperlexia is more common in children who are neurodiverse.
When you say she worries about other people or unconnected things - we had this too. This was part of how the intrusive thoughts were happening. She would obsess over having done something that had caused a bad thing to happen elsewhere - like leaving germs on something that then made someone else ill, or holding one of the pets wrongly and killing them. She worried that her thoughts could travel through furniture or people could tell what she was thinking, so was desperately distressed by any random bad thought.
Also very bright but paralyzed by perfectionism and anxiety about ever being wrong.
The bad news - we're 7 years down the line and she's been to CAHMS twice. The anxiety/OCD is still here.
The good news - she's been really well and dealing with it better each year. Her growing maturity has helped and she understands the way she thinks and sees things much better. She still has intrusive thoughts, but mostly recognises that is what they are.
She still struggles with some things and has issues with some sensory stuff and dealing with overwhelm.
What has helped? Us as a family understanding this better was a big step forward. CBT techniques. Better sleep (she loves a weighted blanket) and being engaged in the world. She's had to learn how to fail and how to get through exposure to things that are hard for her. Structure is good, she doesn't do well with lots of spare time. A few good friends. Lots of hobbies. She gets angry when upset too - boxing as a hobby has been a great way to vent!

CoodleMoodle · 14/09/2022 13:34

@Beamur Bless your DD (and you!), that all sounds really tough. Glad she's getting better year on year, it's nice to know it might not be such huge thing forever.

DD sleeps very well, that's one good thing. But if something's really bothering her she'll be upset at bedtime, and keep calling me back in to talk about it. Sensory wise she has a lot of anxieties around food (has done since weaning!), and she freaks out if there's anything to do with food at school or Brownies or whatever. Otherwise the sensory stuff isn't so bad, although she gets a bit upset if her class is too noisy.

Structure is good. She was a total routine baby, and she still is now. Too much change doesnt work for DD! She hates that DS is at school (she's worried about him), doesn't like plans changing, etc.

Hobbies are hard because she doesn't want to do anything else after school or at the weekend (swimming non-negotiable but she likes it anyway), but I try to encourage her doing the things she likes to do at home - reading, writing stories, board games, Minecraft, trampolining with her little brother. She's a homebody, and that's fine. So am I!

She absolutely needs to learn how to fail, and how to accept that she will. It's funny, every now and then she WILL laugh at herself for getting something wrong, take it in good humour, learn from the mistake. And then other times it's a disaster. I'm very concerned about her going to secondary school, actually. I breezed through primary much like she is, and then when I got to Y7 and suddenly I wasn't in top group for everything and the work didn't come so easily, I sort of shut down and gave up a bit. DD sort of does this now so I can see it getting worse.

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Beamur · 14/09/2022 14:01

The transition to High School was hard and the first 2 years weren't good!
Her school promote something called the 'growth mindset' which you might find an interesting read. It's very much about the attitude to failing and learning.
Food is a thing here too! Only certain foods allowed, food shouldn't touch, etc.
DD needs a lot of quiet time at home, I am counting things like art and reading as hobbies 😁
I think we are also quite gentle parents as DD cannot take criticism and when little was distraught if told off. She was probably excessively well behaved at school from mortal dread of being sent to see the Head.
Last trip to CAHMS they did some tests and she scored very highly on both social anxiety and separation anxiety. We made a few changes at home to reflect that which has made life a little easier. We don't tend to go away from home more than 3 nights at the moment as this seems to work. Longer is harder for her and she stops enjoying herself and just needs to be at home.
I think there's probably lots of small things you will be able to put in place to support your DD to live with these feelings better, but I still say to mine that we constantly learn and change and self knowledge and understanding is ongoing.

CoodleMoodle · 14/09/2022 19:51

@Beamur

Food is a nightmare for DD. She loves going places and visiting family & friends, but the food thing is such an issue. We've never been on a holiday abroad, not because we don't think she could cope, but because of the food! DD is okay with new places, she doesn't mind being away from home for a week or so, which is good.

Criticism is a big no here as well, although obviously sometimes it's necessary. She's not so upset if I ever have to tell her off (rare, apart from rudeness), but if DH ever even looks annoyed... oh boy! And getting into trouble at school is dreaded. Last year there was an incident where right at the end of the day there was a misunderstanding by a supply teacher and DD and a few other kids were told to move their pegs down on the behaviour chart thing. DD spent the rest of the afternoon/evening in floods of tears, and then absolute fury at the injustice of it. I had to speak to her teacher the next day because she was so beside herself about it. I don't know what she'd do if she actually got into trouble!

I will look into the growth mindset, I'm sure I've heard of that, too. I want to do all I can to support her before she hits the teenage years and hormones start coming into it (though occasionally I wonder if they already have!).

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miffmufferedmoof · 14/09/2022 20:15

She sounds an awful lot like my 9yo, diagnosed with ASD at 8. It’s hard! Try and recharge your own batteries as much as you can. We need super human amounts of compassion and patience!

CoodleMoodle · 14/09/2022 21:12

@miffmufferedmoof Thanks! Bearing the brunt of the anger/upset is so draining at times. She never does it to DH, and he's her favourite! It's exhausting for me so I can only imagine what it's like for her. And I can imagine it because a lot of it is just like me when I was her age, but back then there was much less support and I just had to get on with it. I'm so glad her school are, so far, on board with trying to help her.

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CoodleMoodle · 11/10/2022 14:27

Little update from me.

DD has been a bit happier now that she's settled back into school. However, she doesn't want to play with any of her friends and mostly stays by herself at break and lunchtime. BUT said she played with a couple of her friends yesterday and I was relieved to hear it!

School sent off the referral to the CDS straightaway after I spoke to the Deputy Head, and we had the letter this morning. They aren't going to pursue an ASD diagnosis as they think it's more mental health related. It's a bit of a blow in a way but I'm going to talk to school about it and see where we can go from here.

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