Why do so many people dislike the teaching profession?

[LucyLastik]

As the thread title asks.

I'm really interested to know where this negativity has come from. I'm suspecting Covid but if we don't get to the root cause of it, will the teaching profession ever be seen in a positive light?

Random musings...

Because you are a type, the way you speak to parents like they are idiots or 6year olds, we as adults have to call you Miss, I could not believe that was a thing - like that means respect - that’s how utterly superficial the respect you demand is.

Liz Truss comes across like a teacher too.

Because the media and government have told lied and gaslighted the population about teachers for years.

Same as they have done for other things.

@WeAreRuined I don't do that!
Different schools do things differently but at my school we wouldn't dream of dealing with parents that way!

@WeAreRuined I actually don't like the whole Miss thing. Parents and teachers should be a partnership. I sign emails to parents off with my first name for this reason.

I am a teacher. I love it. I shouldn't read these threads!

Because you are a type, the way you speak to parents like they are idiots or 6year olds, we as adults have to call you Miss, I could not believe that was a thing - like that means respect - that’s how utterly superficial the respect you demand is.

Eh? I’ve never called my child’s teachers ‘Miss’ or ‘Sir’. I call them ‘Mrs/Miss Bloggs’ or ‘Mr Bloggs.’ They call me ‘Mrs Beanie Teen’. I wouldn’t call them by their first name, and I wouldn’t expect them to call me by mine. What would you prefer? You sound very confused.

Why do you disapprove of first names? Your head resides in the last century.

Some teachers are great.
However in my experience more are not.
They moan constantly about workload yet they get more leave than any other profession.
And during covid some stepped up and did everything they could to help children who had no access to technology learn still.
But a good many of them called themselves key workers then refused to go into school and did a lot of sunbathing.

You've just about summed up my view.

I'd rather here a teacher say that it's bloody great having 13 weeks a year holiday, even if that does mean putting in extra time elsewhere in the year, than the constant whining from some about how hard down by they are, when much of the rest of the working population get statutory annual leave of 28 days.

Why do you disapprove of first names? Your head resides in the last century.

I don’t disapprove. But I think it’s commonly not done so it’s just what many, including me, are used to. I don’t think it’s respectful or disrespectful either way, I think it’s just what suits the setting. The children say ‘Mr Bloggs’ that’s just how they are known, so why wouldn’t I call them that? I have a friend who is a TA, she knows some of the kids outside of school because she’s friends with the parents. They call her by her first name if she’s visiting round their house obviously, but at school it’s ‘Mrs….’ It’s the setting, not the person.
But I guess I’m just stuck ‘all the way back’ in 1999, when incidentally I was only at primary school. Was it really that long ago 😂

But you see it is commonly done to speak to other adults by their first names in professional environment, it is the modern way - teachers set themselves apart by expecting parent to address them by title, but - it does them no favours. The op was asking what why teachers are seen in the negative - this, imo is one reason - you don’t care either way, so I can see why you don’t understand my point.

Mine is because both my ASD dc ( 10 years apart in age) were treated awfully in the education system. The teachers all seemed more interested in making them conform to the sometimes extremely petty school rules rather than actually educating them. With my other dc I found them to be constantly pushing their left wing views on them! I remember dd coming home from school during the Trump/Clinton race for president announcing that her teacher told her that only racist people would vote for Trump! Whatever happened to giving children all the facts and enabling them to make their own decisions ?( which is the way i was educated).

How so? Are you privy to my professional experience? No, of course not. And you rather prove my point with such a bad-tempered and ignorant response. Teachers would do well to listen as well as talk. Everyone else is not wrong.

😂 😂 😂

Oh @Cleopatra67 how can it be that you are so free of insight 🤦‍♀️

Do try to learn from others rather than talk over them.

I was a secondary teacher for 32 years before taking early retirement a year before Covid. I put so much energy into my students. I came back from my holiday early to attend A level results day and spent that day and following day helping anyone in my tutor group to go through clearing. Same again following week for GCSE results day. I did Easter revision sessions and lunch time too before exams. I was very disappointed during first Covid lockdown as to how little my foster sons secondary teachers did. No on line lessons, only 1 piece of Maths, English and Science sent home each week. No work marked whatsoever. Minimum effort. Previous to Covid when my school closed due to snow I set up PowerPoint presentation with work sheets and follow up essay question. All work was emailed back to my drop box and marked in full. So I know it was easily possible to do. 5 months on virtually no work being set by his school. My niece had similar so not just his school. I was actually ashamed of how little effort was made by many schools. Even when government offered catch up lessons with tutors his Head Teacher refused to allow children to utilise them, but kept funding. It was not used for catch up which is what it was meant for. I do know not all schools acted badly but I know a lot did not make much effort for online lessons using some children not having access to internet as excuse not to bother.

teachers set themselves apart by expecting parent to address them by title, but - it does them no favours. The op was asking what why teachers are seen in the negative - this, imo is one reason - you don’t care either way, so I can see why you don’t understand my point.

No I guess I don’t. Not just because I don’t care either way but as I said it’s just part of the school environment. You’re making it teacher specific but if I speak to one of my children’s TAs or I talk to the office staff or email them it’s the same. There’s also a lovely volunteer who works in my DS’s class, he’s known by his surname just like everyone else. And if I spoke to him that’s what I’d call him, and no doubt he would call me Mrs BeanieTeen.
It’s not just teachers who are addressed by their surname, it’s all adults in the school. Do you see TAs, admin assistants, business managers, school volunteers, kitchen staff etc in the same negative light for this reason? Are they also ‘setting themselves apart’? @WeAreRuined

@itsgettingweird , yes, like this:

I think teacher pay is very poor

Nurses pay too, many essential workers pay is low (who'd be a carer!)

Lots of very important jobs are badly paid in the U.K.

Then people don't respect teachers, nurses etc as they are treated badly and paid badly

So true.

And yet so many seem to pass those standards - set too low maybe?
One of the kids at a local school recorded a Maths class. Parents had been complaining about the teacher for months, the teacher was well known amongst the parent and kids for being bloody useless but the Outstanding school said their teaching was excellent and there wasn't a problem - sticking that lesson on social media, might not have been nice for the teacher but it meant the school could no longer defend the quality of teaching. Of course, the kid involved got punished for whistle-blowing - the school took no responsibility.

Teachers create the rules - you think the volunteers, admin staff and the caterers are in charge of the culture - you are having a laugh, surely? It builds up from the beginning of a teacher's career - the Headteachers, the SLT - the decision makers were once teachers - they are the creators of the culture - it's on their shoulders, they reinforce the them and us. I was shocked when I was expected to address another adult by their title 18 year ago when my kids started school - it was still going on when they left. IMO it is part of the reason for the contempt - but I might be wrong - I often am!

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What if they become a person who works a job that wears a uniform?