How do I get dc Irish citizenship?

[Juicesausagecake]

DH has been registered on the register of foreign births. He was born in Britain but his family are Irish. I am British. We have since had two dc.

Can anyone help me understand what I might need to do to get dc Irish citizenship?

For those asking why we want it. I'm proud to be Irish and am in contact with other family there. Been there many a time over the years. It's my birth right much like any other culture & my roots. I didn't vote for Brexit. I want to be an EU citizen and want my DC to have that right. Now my UK passport is a black/blue one ICRC's decided to pay 90 Euro and sort my Irish one out so I can have it to travel and get my kids on the FBR

My parents were both Irish and I have an Irish passport, despite being born in the UK. My children got Irish citizenship about 3 years ago. It is relatively clear on the website what you need in order to apply. Lots of paperwork!!
I believe it is possible that their children could apply for citizenship as I was an Irish National at the time of their birth.

I believe it is possible that their children could apply for citizenship as I was an Irish National at the time of their birth

no- their children are eligible because they are Irish citizens at the time of birth.

because you are born outside Ireland, any future grandchildren or great grandchildren are only eligible if their parents are on the FBR at the time of birth.

citizenship through grandparents only applies if the grandparent was born in Ireland, which makes any children automatic citizens.

can fbr eligibility and therefore Irish citizenship go on indefinitely in future generations as long as everyone is added to the fbr before they become parents themselves? So my kids are on fbr and their future children can be added to fbr and so on forever? (or until rule changes)

So my kids are on fbr and their future children can be added to fbr and so on forever? (or until rule changes)

yes, that is currently how it works. Irish citizenship can pass to future generations indefinitely, as long as the parent was on the FBR at the time of the child’s birth.

I recently got round to applying for my kids to be on the FBR - I’d been meaning to do it since the Brexit vote but it’s such a faff getting all the documents together, and as previous pps said, they suspended applications during Covid. I got two copies of my dad’s birth certificate and then promptly lost them and spent ages trying to find them. I eventually bit the bullet, ordered two more copies, plus two copies of my marriage certificate, two of my birth certificate, letters from both kids schools, etc etc etc. I sent it all off a few weeks ago and have had confirmation it’s all been received- now to wait two years! I’ve not bothered applying for a passport for myself but perhaps I will once I can get them for the kids. DH won’t be eligible so there’s not much point for me really but I want my kids to be EU citizens and have freedom of movement as they grow up. DS1 (12) currently really wants to go to university in the Netherlands.

Yes @sashagabadon that seems to be the case.

Thanks both. Seems extraordinary generous of the Irish system but maybe over time people won’t know / forget etc

My DH begged me to go on the FBR before my DC is due in January due to my Irish Born Grandmother, I have refused, while I am imminsely proud of my heritage and sad about brexit, its about time people in England stopped using Ireland as a flag of convieniance and sort out our own big brexit mess.

Ireland fought long and hard for its independance and the right to have that passport, not for plastic paddy english kids to be able to work summers in magaluf in 20 years.

PS we brits need to realise that just because we are "entitled" to claim something dosent nessecarily mean we should, and certainly not to abuse Irelands generousity like many people here are quite obviously doing and im , who would have no interest whatsoever in the prospect of claiming Irish Passport if brexit didnt happen, honesty is the best policy !!

Lets just be honest, you want it because its an EU passport, clearly if you where that proud of your heritage you would of claimed one long before now, the rules havent changed since the 1950s.

Like all things in relation to Ireland on mumsnet, ignorance is bliss, as in ill just use them for my own vanity with no intention of ever meaningfully contributing to Irish Soceity or its people.

Do you not consider the Irish Government competent to decide their own citizenship rules then?

I do, they considered those rules back in 1956 though, your point is moot, anyone who was genuinly wanting to become irish would have done it long before now.

Just because someone is "entitled" to something dosent mean they have to resource mine the system !

Sick of (mainly middle class) brits doing everything they can to get EU citizenship via the back door and the "Im alright jack" nonsense.

Mind you if they made as much effort during the remain campaign as they are now trying to jimmy themselves a passport via tenuous claims, we probabley wouldnt be in this bloody mess in the first instance !

If my DC wants Irish Citizenship she can move there and contribute, unlike the overly entitled middle class folks in this country who raise spoiled children !

Well, it's good you're not bitter about it anyway.

I do, they considered those rules back in 1956 though, your point is moot, anyone who was genuinly wanting to become irish would have done it long before now

because my Irish born parent died when I was very young, I had no idea I automatically had citizenship, or that my kids were eligible. It was due to brexit and the discussion around it that I realised I had dual citizenship.

had I known I would have done it years ago.

many countries have citizenship by descent laws. It benefits the country as much as the individual.

How is your DC working in Magaluf when they are 18 benefitting Ireland exactly, other than the potential of needing consular assistance with the irish taxpayers being forced to foot the bill for it ?

I for one would like us to a referendum on it, especially to remove the grandparent clause.

Most other countries don't have that, it was enacted decades ago it harks back to the days of mass emigration really.

If people want to become citizens through their parents, that's one thing, or coming to live here and contribute and make a life, but passing it down through the generations so you can go on holiday easier really frustrates me - it's totally taking the piss.

Who said anything about my dc working in Magaluf?

judgemental aren’t you. There are many reasons for acquiring citizenship, and it’s isn’t always “to go on holiday easier”.

I could post my reasons but I cba and don’t see why I should.

I need to do this for dc.

Its been a problem long before brexit sadly, I remember working as the recruitment manager at a Sainsburys in London many years ago for Americans to be coming in waiving around Irish Passports during job interviews they had aquired through loose blood links to prove their legal status, most of them probabley never having stepped foot in Ireland before, I always found it all abit bizzare and kinda "plastic paddyish" to be fair.

As you correctly stated most countries including here in the UK cap citizenship at the first generation to be born externally, after that then it dies off.

Well its certainly not so they can go and live in Ireland is it, British Citizens dont need to hold or apply for Irish Passports to move to Ireland and never have done.

So clearly the motivation behind it is not wanting to live in Ireland 🙄

Sorry to hijack thread, but am I automatically an Irish citizen as my mother was born there? She had left by the time she was three and she was raised in England.

Thats mabey because you have lost the arguement, I mean you claimed that Ireland giving you and your DCs Irish Passports is benefitting Ireland as a country, you never stated what that benefit supposidly is ?

Think its okay if your parents are Irish, literally all countries grant citizenship on the basis of your parents nationality, but giving it soley on the basis of grandparents and great grandparents ect is a joke not gonna lie.

@ladygindiva

Yes.

You just need her Irish birth certificate, then her link to you (her marriage, your birth cert) to get your passport.

My dad fought in WW2 then was in England from mid forties onwards. But he was still Irish born! (And I still have relatives there so go regularly)