I envy people who have Faith

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I don't but it must be a real comfort to believe in a higher power and have something that gives a meaning to everything.

That's it really.

Given her characterisation of abortion as psychopathic murder (which implies that women who have terminations are psychopathic murderers) that sadly wouldn't surprise me.

To expand my previous comment:

The animals which entered the Ark were a representation of their particular species, for example, lions, tigers, bobcats, lynx, cougars, leopards etc are all big cats and share a common ancestor. In the same way bears come in all shapes and sizes - grizzly, panda, brown, koala, polar etc but all share the same origin. All breeds of domesticated dog descend from wolves, including chihuahuas and pugs.
The Bible states that God told Noah to:

"Bring into the ark two of all living creatures, male and female, to keep them alive with you. Two of every kind of bird, of every kind of animal and of every kind of creature that moves along the ground will come to you to be kept alive".

So Noah wouldn't have only needed to include a representative of each family of animal. Fish and other sea creatures were not included as they could survive in the water.

Some people also think they would have been juveniles. In this case the animals would take up far less room, be less territorial, less inclined to kill other animals, wouldn't try to breed and would not need so much food.

Research Biologist Dr. Nathaniel Jeanson writes:
'Only about 30% of all mammal families that ever existed are alive today. Assuming a similar percentage for amphibians, reptiles, and birds, we can estimate how many total families in these groups of creatures ever existed. If 510 families exist in these groups today, and if this represents just 30% of all that ever lived, then a total of 1,700 mammalian, amphibian, reptilian, and avian families once existed on earth. This number—1,700—represents an upper estimate of the total number of kinds that Noah took on board the Ark.'

The Ark is estimated to have been 550 feet long, 91.7 feet wide and 55 feet high, with 3 levels and multiple rooms within.

@Vincitveritas that still doesn't address the issue of inbreeding though. You have but to look at Crufts and see where that gets you.

@Vincitveritas there's also ths massive issue of plant life. Bringing seed crops isn't enough - you need plants that encourage pollinators, you need trees, you need succulents. Wiping out biomass on that scale is annihilation of an entire world with no hope of resurrection (unless you're talking about a second instalment of a creation). Then there are all the creatures that live in the earth - worms and the like - without which the soil will not thrive. A literal flood with a literal Ark, however large, is a scientific impossibility.

you appear to need to know we need to accept differences from what you have just written my friend. Just look at what you have jus5 written and have a bit of self-insight.

you appear to need to know we need to accept differences from what you have just written my friend. Just look at what you have just written and have a bit of self-insight.

Your definition is incomplete . Faith is a certainty of belief born out of a relationship with God. Faith has to do with the experiential side of it. Like a relationship in a marriage.

Just to add that I always notice that people l8ke yo7 slip from logical argument to emotional blackmail at this point.

you appear to need to know we need to accept differences from what you have just written my friend.

Mote. Plank.

@Malie the definition posted is the dictionary definition, not the poster's definition. We know your definition is different. The horse is dead, stop beating it.

Interesting that everyone who is open-abortion has already been born themselves

That's not interesting, that's biology. You can't be pro or anti anything if you don't exist.

Nobody is pro-abortion, btw. We don't go around encouraging people to have abortions just for funsies. What we do is trust women to make choices for themselves and take responsibilities for themselves.

And I know you aren't into facts, but have this anyway.

If you want to prevent abortions, provide excellent sex education, make contraception freely available, ensure women and girls have access to schooling, completely ban underage marriage and provide outstanding childcare facilities, housing and funding.

Just banning abortion kills women.

@pointythings If you take the story of Noah's Ark to be true it also means everyone alive today is descended from the 8 people who were on board and survived the flood. People before the flood lived to a very great age - Noah's own grandfather Methuselah died at 969. Over time, after the flood, the inbreeding resulted in far shorter lifespans. Scientists agree that all humans share a common ancestor, Mitochondrial Eve. It's my belief that Adam was created with perfect DNA, as were the animals. Noah was 8 generations from Adam's son, Seth. There would have been far less risk of passing on defective genes at that time, even between close relatives.

A perfectly legal and often necessary medical procedure.

So how are you going to explain away how things like section 28, the 2013 law and the campaign against marriage equality are all the fault of atheists?

@Vincitveritas that entire argument is premised on the argument that the longevity is real and that perfect DNA exists. It lacks evidence. But since it is a matter of belief, that's fair enough. Me, I prefer to go with what we currently know about biology.

Like calling people psychopathic murderers?

yes my friend! Please apply! 😀

Funny we have sex education up to the hilt and more and more abortion. Isn’t it interesting you guys always cry with the same message more of something that doesn’t work

Exactly! How would the animals be fed after the flood ended if all plant life and fauna was destroyed in the flood? The more I think about this story the more nonsensical it becomes!

@pointythings The flood lasted for a little over a year but the land was only covered for 7 to 9 months. Again, I would argue that plant life at the time was more genetically robust than today's species, for the same resons. This article has some good explanations:

answersingenesis.org/biology/plants/how-did-plants-survive-and-disperse-after-flood

Presuming this is a genuine question....from our brains and our evolutionary design. Noone needs to read a book to tell us to feel that way!

The aardvarks on the (a)ark would have needed feeding. They have a voracious appetite for termites, actual tons of which would have been needed for the 7-9months. Termites also have a voracious appetite, for wood.

@Malie you aren't my friend, quite far from it - please do not be so insincere. You simply wish to dominate and diminish any voice that is not exactly yours. There is no friendship motivation to that.

With that out of the way, I'm happy to accept differences... you are not. Everything you write makes that patently clear! The only person that can't see that is you.

But it’s not true, is it. It has never been proven to be so. It’s a religious hypothesis at best but nothing more.

And we very clearly are not descendants of Adam - that would have dated humanity back only 60000, and yet the first homo Saipan, who is definitely is our great ancestor, emerged around 300,000 years ago! And there is more proof of that than there is of Noah and his Ark!

@Vincitveritas well, it has explanations. If you accept its initial premise. Which I do not, because it's a massive reach. It basically says that because some plants can do x, y and z, therefore all plants can, could and did. That's not science. In terms of rational reasoning, it's right up there with 'I fit into my coat, my coat fits into my bag, therefore I fit into my bag'.