Is the price worth it- supporting Ukraine ?

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People all over are complaining how we are being eaten out of house and home with this ridiculously huge energy bills on the way in Jan 2023 £4,500 cap rising to £6,000 ! that's £500 a month! forget about the mortgage, petrol and grocery !

we can't have it both ways we either stand with Ukraine and put up with it and and end up in debt or on the street or button up and accept whatever cap the government says we must have.

Or we could do what other countries do at least buy stuff from the Russians and still support Ukraine at the same time. Their must be a limit to do all this support?

Surely we must be utterly mad bending over backwards like this for them. How many trillions did we waste trying to help Afghanistan, Libya and Iraq with nothing to show for it?

I normally don't get into politics but aren't we literally destroying ourselves for a far away country that has nothing to do with us. How exactly is a Russia a threat to us when they can't even move past a few border towns in Ukraine?

BP and Shell is making billions in profits. Surely their is another agenda out their to rinse us of all our savings (no i am not a KGB bot, i drink Teachers and not vodka)

(rant over!)

I don't remember Libya, Afghanistan or Iraq ever invading Europe? It's literally invading us

I don't think this is a Russia/Ukraine issue any more. Look at the profits the energy and oil companies are making - they've taken advantage of this situation to rinse the public. Windfall tax, new legislation, nationalisation. Why the fuck are these vital services being run for profit at all.

If you believe this has anything to do with Ukraine, you need to have a word with yourself.

This is about profit.

I'm not in the slightest bit sorry for standing with Ukraine

Otherwise we stand to be sending our sons and and brothers husbands to war eventually too.

How can you say Russians have done nothing to us.

Threat of nuclear attack.
The Salisbury poisonings

The cost of living isn't all down to Ukraine either. It's many many factors combined to create such spiralling inflation.

Wage rises / strikes
Low interest rates ending
Staff shortages
Skills shortages

Population decreasing
Lockdowns
Covid spending
Brexit

Climate change
War in Ukraine

BP's "Chief executive Bernard Looney"
The name says it all
www.bbc.com/news/business-60295177

i just find we rush headlong into this conflicts as the knight in shining armour with very little to show for it.
ok what did sending our boys into the middle of Afghanistan get us, coming home with limbs missing and trillions wasted.
I can see this Ukraine thing ending the same way. In a few months they will all shake on it and make a deal and all our effort will come to nought.

I think you need to get a map and work out that Ukraine is actually not far away.

Then have a think about how appeasing Hitler worked out.

i'm not a political expert but we can butter our bread on both sides as it were.

We could have still kept trading with Putin and at the same time arm Ukraine and get involved if we are itching for it.

Inflation is mainly (but not solely) driven by high fuel costs.

Sanctions against Russia have decreased supply of gas, increasing prices.

Domestic energy supply is not a profitable business on its own - the fat cats are making their obscene money from other sectors, like fertilizer production. (I read that it’s about £10 GP per household - terrible margin if so).

I think we were right to sanction Russia but we were also naive if we didn’t consider the obvious consequences for food and energy supply.

I think it’s exposed Russia as fairly impotent militarily. I just wish they didn’t have a massive nuclear arsenal.

"How exactly is a Russia a threat to us when they can't even move past a few border towns in Ukraine?"

Dunno mate. They don't have any long range missiles that can reach London do they? Oh, wait....

Its very simple. Keep giving Russia money for gas = fund their war effort. Next it will be NATO countries and then we get dragged into war. Then we are truly fucked.

Educate yourself.

This could be controlled by the government if the tories weren't so in the thrall of letting the rich rinse the poor for all they are worth.

It's a principle being defended and a damned important one at that. We did it against the Nazis and we're doing it again now, we've just stepped in bit earlier because we've actually learnt from our experience for a change.

If you can't see that, I pity you.

Yes, we should be prepared to sacrifice everything to fight Russia and its autocracy. We can't allow it to succeed. You'd be the first to complain if Putin won and followed on - which he would, have no doubt about that.

Our Government are being twats about the CoL crisis because the two up for PM have forgotten that their job is to actually make the life they can for us, their constituents. They could ge dealing with it by coopertion and compromise but they're busy courting the Tory Elite. That's what you get when you vote Tory.

I'll sit in the dark with a candle, wrapped in a blanket if it quashes Putin's ambitions.

Its not like we Brits don't have teeth. our one trident can flatten half of Russia with the nukes it has on onboard. I watched a documentary on it.
Let them try it.

I think you have to compare the price of supporting Ukraine to the likely price of NOT supporting Ukraine.

Seriously? Nuclear war? That's your solution?

Fuck me.

"A backwater country like Ukraine"
I despair.

The huge issue is if the west don’t support the problems don’t go away but very likely get worse

Supporting is protecting more than Ukraine

And yes prices are impacted hugely due to the war, globally

Firstly Ukraine isn’t a backwater country. It’s rich with history, culture, literature, fine arts, music and they have a pretty excellent World’s Strongest Man too (who happens to fight for the Ukrainian army).

Secondly please go read Martin Lewis’ latest comment on this. Prices were rising at awfully high rates prior to Ukraine. Has the Russian invasion helped? No, of course not. But does that mean we should condone what Putin has done?

Also. Russia are restricting energy sales right now as it’s their way of weaponising what they can. But they still supply large areas of Europe with gas so your argument is totally invalid.

i'm not a political expert but we can butter our bread on both sides as it were.

No, you aren’t a political expert. Or a student of history.

The problems we are experiencing now are as a result of not standing up to Putin more assertively sooner. Might is not right and we need to say so now.

Afghanistan, Libya and Iraq have very little equivalence with Ukraine, which may not be perfect but is a functional democracy determined to maintain its autonomy. The war there is not the only cause of the current situation we are in (although clearly it is part of it)

"In a few months they will all shake on it and make a deal". I don't see any immediate hope of that but should it happen, it will be because Putin was not allowed to march in and take over (and where would he have gone next?) It is Ukrainians who are doing the actual fighting, for their own country, not "our boys".

I watched a documentary on it.

And are now an expert.

Shame you couldn't have watched a documentary about cancer and come up with a cure, really.

Yes it is. Get watching some history documentaries then come back. And no, we don't want trident flattening russia. Perhaps add a few scientific documentaries to your list. You sound insane.

How exactly is a Russia a threat to us when they can't even move past a few border towns in Ukraine?

The reason that their advance stalled is that the British military spent 7/8 years teaching the Ukrainian forces how to fight a much larger invader, using tactics we learnt from the Taliban. We've also been supplying them with weapons.

No, Russia wouldn't stand a hope in total war with the west. Trouble is that they have a substantial nuclear arsenal and everyone loses if those are used. So they are a threat, just like the USSR was even though it never succeeded in controlling Afghanistan.

Its not like we Brits don't have teeth. our one trident can flatten half of Russia with the nukes it has on onboard. I watched a documentary on it.
Let them try it.

You are aware of what the Mutually Assured Destruction doctrine means, aren't you?

I'd happily switch my heat off all winter to fuck Putin. I've lived without central heating in a couple of places.

Appeasement of psycho emperor hopefuls is a very foolish plan.