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No energy bill for 2 years

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RainCloud · 07/08/2022 17:17

I'm not going to report this but not sure how right it is. Friend moved house 2 years ago and has never had an energy bill. Part of me thinks, good for her, the energy companies are ripping us off. The other part thinks, the rest of us are paying for her consumption. She says she'll never have to pay it because they can only charge up to 6 months areas from the point at which you contact them.

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Marmalade546 · 07/08/2022 17:24

If he’s not getting energy bills that’s not his problem. Honestly it’s a good thing because the energy companies are ripping us off.

RainCloud · 07/08/2022 17:29

She's female. I wish I wasn't getting energy bills.

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Unforgettablefire · 07/08/2022 17:45

They'll catch on one day and imagine the size of the bill.

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DenholmElliot1 · 07/08/2022 17:48

Good for her I say. I didn't get a water bill for the first 6 years I lived in my house and then one day out of the blue a perfectly ordinary bill appeared and has appeared ever since. No arrears on it.

DenholmElliot1 · 07/08/2022 17:49

The other part thinks, the rest of us are paying for her consumption.

I can absolutely assure you that we are not paying for her electric. Do you honestly think that if she were to start paying her electric we would all get a refund? That the electric company would give that money back to us? No. It's paid for out of utility companys profits.

Wondersocks · 07/08/2022 17:55

RainCloud · 07/08/2022 17:17

I'm not going to report this but not sure how right it is. Friend moved house 2 years ago and has never had an energy bill. Part of me thinks, good for her, the energy companies are ripping us off. The other part thinks, the rest of us are paying for her consumption. She says she'll never have to pay it because they can only charge up to 6 months areas from the point at which you contact them.

It’s fine, the rest of us are not paying for her consumption, that’s the same nonsense the insurance companies try to pull as well.

The truth is they extract money from us- as much of it as they can get away with legally at any given time. Essentially, energy companies are making money hand over fist, they are enjoying record breaking profits and while there is an energy crisis, the energies companies have ensured that crisis is not going to waste. They are over charging us, and when we’re too poor to pay they are getting our tax money indirectly via the cost of living payment and the winter fuel payment.

Try to be on your own side, the energy company is not your own side, there are no prizes in heaven for selling out your friends and family.

HeartofTeFiti · 07/08/2022 18:01

Are you sure about the 6mths arrears? British Gas came after me for £2000 6 years after I moved out of a shared property - admittedly I had had a utilities account at the address briefly (luckily I'm brilliant at record keeping and could prove I didnt owe them that money, they are a complete shambles!).

I am not sure I'd feel bad about "diddling" the utility providers but I'd be very scared they d catch up with me.

IcedOatLatte · 07/08/2022 18:13

Obviously one person stealing their electricity is too small to have an effect but overall non payment will have to be recovered somehow

The posters who say good for her, do you condone all non paytent?

What about shoplifting, bank fraud, non paymentof child support?

DameMargaretofChalfont · 07/08/2022 18:15

HeartofTeFiti · 07/08/2022 18:01

Are you sure about the 6mths arrears? British Gas came after me for £2000 6 years after I moved out of a shared property - admittedly I had had a utilities account at the address briefly (luckily I'm brilliant at record keeping and could prove I didnt owe them that money, they are a complete shambles!).

I am not sure I'd feel bad about "diddling" the utility providers but I'd be very scared they d catch up with me.

Utility companies can't enforce debts more than 12 months old unless they can prove that they have billed correctly and sent statements of account to the correct person - full details can be seen here.

RainCloud · 07/08/2022 18:20

TBF she is sharing. She has a DD the same age as mine and we usually take it in turns to have a film night / play date at each other's houses. She said that in winter they could all be at hers because the heating and cooking are free.

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rumplestiltskinp · 07/08/2022 18:29

I get you're envious but try not to be jealous and vindictive. Good on them I say. From reading here though I've learned to keep anything like this to myself if it ever happens to me.

Beetlewings · 07/08/2022 18:34

I lived at an address where I never had a bill. I tried, I wrote to all the utility companies to find which one was my supplier and no one would take it on. Still have copies of the emails as proof in case they chase me (but who?). This is one advantage of privatisation and I've heard it's not that rare. I say good for her

RainCloud · 07/08/2022 18:52

rumplestiltskinp · 07/08/2022 18:29

I get you're envious but try not to be jealous and vindictive. Good on them I say. From reading here though I've learned to keep anything like this to myself if it ever happens to me.

I didn't mean my posts to come across as jealous and vindictive. Can you highlight which one you mean?

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GetOffTheRoof · 07/08/2022 18:53

If she's in a house share, does her housemate get the bill electronically? Or does her rent include utilities?

RainCloud · 07/08/2022 18:54

GetOffTheRoof · 07/08/2022 18:53

If she's in a house share, does her housemate get the bill electronically? Or does her rent include utilities?

Not in a house share.

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N1C · 07/08/2022 18:55

I have no idea who pays for my broadband. I've lived in my flat for 3 years and it's always been super quick ever since I moved in.

WeAreBob · 07/08/2022 18:56

Did she do everything she was meant to do when she moved in? Whoever moved out would have given a final reading, and your friend would have to set up a new account with her chosen supplier.

Did she do that? She set up an account and they've just never billed her? It happens because some people slip through the cracks after setting up a new service.

Or did she move in, notice the power all worked and never called to set up her own?

GetOffTheRoof · 07/08/2022 18:56

You said she is sharing?

RainCloud · 07/08/2022 19:02

GetOffTheRoof · 07/08/2022 18:56

You said she is sharing?

She's offered to share the free gas with others ie have DD and I found to hers during the winter.

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GetOffTheRoof · 07/08/2022 19:14

So she's not paying for gas or electricity at all? Does she have meter for both?

How about water, council tax etc? Is the house registered properly?

I've known dodgy student rentals where the whole thing was an illegal let with no proper installation of gas or electricity in a split building.

Givingioal · 07/08/2022 19:17

@RainCloud wouldn’t you just be pleased for her?! You said yourself you wish you weren’t paying for bills.

Stand up for the people not the companies creaming it!

Wondersocks · 07/08/2022 19:23

IcedOatLatte · 07/08/2022 18:13

Obviously one person stealing their electricity is too small to have an effect but overall non payment will have to be recovered somehow

The posters who say good for her, do you condone all non paytent?

What about shoplifting, bank fraud, non paymentof child support?

@IcedOatLatte, it’s a fair question, the answer to which depends a lot on context.
Shoplifting- probably not moral but depends on the circumstances of the person doing the shoplifting tbh (if someone going hungry steals food because they have no money and can’t find anywhere else to get food from it’s somewhat debatable) and the shop they are stealing from. generally, if it’s a very tangible product with a reasonable market value based on the cost of manufacture, transport, storage I would say that’s typically morally wrong as well as illegal, occasionally, if someone is desperate I might think it should remain illegal but I would struggle to say it was morally wrong. In addition to the shop owner and the chain investors there is also a fair chance that this behaviour with have a negative impact on people who work in the shop. They may feel guilty for not stopping it, they’ll probably feel disempowered and helpless, maybe frightened. The security guards will definitionally have failed to do their jobs so it’s a bad day for them. If a shop deals with a lot of theft it could increase the general level of tension and suspicion between staff and customers.

Bank Fraud- probably morally wrong, but if they were stealing from the bank and not the customers accounts, I’m not sure I’d be shedding any tears. 2021 was a bumper year for UK bank profit, with some banks seeing a more than 400% increase in profit compared to the previous period last year Banks are doing just fine article . Sure, legally they are allowed to make this sort of ridiculous level of profit, but when it’s happening in the context of a time when full-time nurses are using foodbanks during a deadly pandemic, I’m allowed to not be morally outraged if some sneaky fraudsters keep the banks on their toes. They are essentially legally extracting this money from us/the wider system, in an immoral and detestable way.

Non-payment of child support- this would be morally wrong 999 times out of 1000, or more. A child depends on their parents to access food, clothing, shelter, security and enjoyment in life. A parent may not have chosen the circumstances under which the child support is necessary but they have a responsibility to care for their child regardless of their feelings towards the other parent. Non-payment of child support can have other significant negative impacts, it can lead a child to not have their material needs met, and it can lead them to believe one or both parents don’t care about them enough to ensure this happens. Child support which is inconsistently provided limits the amount of planning with that money the primary caregiver can do thus limiting it’s utility. It can be a means of continuing a controlling or abusive dynamic after the end of a relationship, including threats of withholding or delaying payment if the paying parent doesn’t get their way.

Energy supply is of course not without costs to the energy supplier. However, in the first quarter of 2022 it has already been a bumper year for profits for all the major energy companies with BP for example making more than double the profits of the same period last year Uk Energy companies laughing all the way to the bank article
This is partly because they are massively under regulated, they are massively under regulated because they have paid billions in lobbying all over the world for decades. Look into UK political leaders for example, most of them are connected to the oil industry (or else one of the other 5 lobby industries) , all parties get donations from energy companies, it’s the water they swim in. Whether it’s red or blue, energy usually wins whoever gets elected. Here’s info on lobbying expenditure What industries spend on political lobbying in the US by industry. They don’t just lobby for generally favourable tax arrangements and naked profiteering either they actively lobby to slow down/stop action on climate change- they are very successful at this, that is part of the reason the world’s on fire right now Oil companies lobbying to stop climate change action article
It is not because we don’t know how to fix it, can’t afford to fix it, don’t have the technology already in existence to fix it. It’s because everyone at the top of the system owes their wealth and power to ignoring the problem.

Do Liz Truss and Rishi Sunak really strike you as the most appropriate and qualified people to run a complex country in crisis like the UK? Really? Are they there because they’re the best of the best, or even just the best of the Torys? Maybe! or maybe the fact that Uber-Rishi Sunak was gifted one of the safest conservative seats in the country for his first foray into politics, and Liz Truss previously worked for huge companies like Shell and will probably work for them again after being PM too should ring a few alarm bells.

Your neighbours “stealing” electricity because the energy company have failed to get their act together on billing are, I would argue, not the moral offenders here. Certainly not when you compare them to who they are “ripping off”. Energy companies and their political beneficiaries are stealing what belongs to all of us so they can bathe in gold and play god at the expense of literally everyone on the planet. If they forget to bill someone for a couple of years, I’m confident they can soak it up, the two year bill is probably in the region of the cost of the of wine just one of their mid level execs will have with dinner tonight.

Wondersocks · 07/08/2022 19:41

@IcedOatLatte just in case you or anyone else thinks I’m exaggerating about the hypothetical exec wine Dinner Heston Sample Wine List
A few bottles of the priciest red on this list and you’re down almost 6k. That’s just the stuff they have on the menu, there’ll be a whole other off-menu level

Wildflower922 · 07/08/2022 19:44

Happy days for her, if she is willing to take the risk of a large bill landing in through her door, let her at it I say

RainCloud · 07/08/2022 20:02

GetOffTheRoof · 07/08/2022 19:14

So she's not paying for gas or electricity at all? Does she have meter for both?

How about water, council tax etc? Is the house registered properly?

I've known dodgy student rentals where the whole thing was an illegal let with no proper installation of gas or electricity in a split building.

She owns. She bought it and renovated it and then moved in around 2 years ago. I'm assuming she pays the other bills, it's only the gas that she has mentioned.

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