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We very soon won’t be able to afford our life

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WhatsHoppening · 08/07/2022 21:07

We have a high mortgage, high childcare costs which thankfully will reduce but still wraparound. With our mortgage term ending in December and the increase in gas and electric, food costs, petrol and the increase in mortgage when we remortgage on a higher rate we will not be able to afford to live. Our outgoings will outstrip our income. We are both professionals, I work part time (4 days) and there’s no hope of DC getting into after school club on my day off (and realistically after childcare I bring in less than £100 pcm per extra day worked after childcare). I feel sick. I keep getting told by my parents and grandparents we will get through it but how?! My grandparents were post war so it was hard but my gran could be a SAHM for 3 kids on a my grandads teacher salary. This is a pipe dream for us now and DH earns more than a NQ teacher. Just a rant- lots have it much worse. But I’m scared for the future.

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Gh12345 · 09/07/2022 21:22

I hate how these sorts of threads become a competition on who's more worse off. Why can't middle income families be struggling? The OP is worried and I just can't believe how many unhelpful replies this has gotten

Lincslady53 · 09/07/2022 21:22

When you remortgage, could you extend the mortgage term. If you are currently on a 25 year mortgage, changing to a 30 year will lower the monthly payments. If you find you are better off than you thought, you can overpay, and then go back to the original term after the next remortgage.

Watzzap · 09/07/2022 21:23

RockingMyFiftiesNot · 09/07/2022 20:45

If your dh is a quantity surveyor and you are a university lecturer, and you are struggling, I hate to think how families with parents on NMW are managing to survive!!

I hate to think how people on NMW manage too, but that doesn't mean the OP isn't having a hard time, or that people can't help the OP find their way through this instead of questioning whether they're telling the truth about their job or not.

Where have I questioned whether the OP is telling the truth or not??

I’m sure if she was lying, she wouldn’t be saying that her dh was a quantity surveyor and that she was a university lecturer, as these careers are very obviously paid at a considerably higher rate than NMW. Combined salaries for her and her dh are at a minimum of around 75-80k, taken as lowest university lecturer’s rate (0.8 pro rata) and around starting salary ( for a quantity surveyor (though he probably has started to make his way up the earnings ladder).

The OP may be having a hard time and that is a shame, but the people I really worry about are those on benefits or NMW, who are (as I’m sure you will agree) in a much, much worse position than the OP and literally can’t manage to make ends meet, for even basic needs!

missdemeanors · 09/07/2022 21:23

Of course it's not a race to the bottom, these threads always see that churned out. But equally, it's about having some perspective. The OP could work more hours but doesn't want to

Lincslady53 · 09/07/2022 21:24

With increasing inflation, wage increases should also increase by more, any benefits should increase too, so you may find it is not going to be as bad as you fear

TiddyTidTwo · 09/07/2022 21:28

"This is a good lesson in not over extending yourself for a home."

Unfortunately this is right. I'm older and seen this before. It's been too good for too long especially for those that didn't experience the tough times decades ago. You can't have it all.

When markets work in cycles, and they invariably do, this is part of a delayed cycle due to events and QE, to artificially make it bearable but it always, always, comes to a head and needs to be paid back in order for the cycle to start again.

The world now think they can have everything, a house, nice cars, up to date tech, decent life, eating out etc etc. and they're entitled to it.

LakieLady · 09/07/2022 21:28

CuteOrangeElephant · 08/07/2022 23:34

Could you get a lodger?

I was going to suggest that.

A friend has just moved her DD into the smaller spare bedroom and has rented out her DD's room for £100pw.

Bunnycat101 · 09/07/2022 21:41

They’ve got a toddler and primary aged child, who the hell is going to want to rent a room from them? I’m really not sure the lodger idea is a great one. I’ve got similar aged children to the OP and I wouldn’t be bringing a stranger into my home with small kids.

Babyroobs · 09/07/2022 21:46

Bunnycat101 · 09/07/2022 21:41

They’ve got a toddler and primary aged child, who the hell is going to want to rent a room from them? I’m really not sure the lodger idea is a great one. I’ve got similar aged children to the OP and I wouldn’t be bringing a stranger into my home with small kids.

Absolutely. Why is taking in a lodger churned out as a valid solution ? Who on earth wants a stranger in their home for £400 a month, especially with young kids. It's odd. i guess it may work for some though. I'd have to be absolutely desperate to take in a lodger.

Happyher · 09/07/2022 21:49

When I’ve gone through hard times (and there’s been a few) I make sure all the essential bills are paid then what’s left is what you have to live on to buy food and any other essentials. Divide by the number of weeks to next payday and that’s all you can spend. That’s the only way you can live within your means. It may mean no real treats for a while and kids may miss out, your clothes will have to last longer. It’s rubbish but it’s better than getting into debt and you will become adept and making the money stretch. It won’t be forever

WhatsHoppening · 09/07/2022 21:50

I appreciate all the suggestions but a lodger would worry me slightly with two young girls. They already share but my family live 2 hours away so often come and stay but obviously we need to consider it.
I hate threads where the OP ignores all advice so I don’t want people to think that- have sought mortgage advice and will definitely consider extending the term I think. I also feel like I’ve learnt my lesson maxing ourselves out and will educate my children much better on the risks of this in future.
Also of course people on NMW are worse off. As a pp says we are definitely the squeezed middle with plenty of privileges but also struggling and money is tight. In no way comparable to pensioners not able to afford the heating on at all or disabled people unable to work and struggling but still a challenge.

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WhatsHoppening · 09/07/2022 21:51

We also one have one decent room and two smaller rooms and one family bathroom so logistically not sure if a single adult would want to share with us!

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RockingMyFiftiesNot · 09/07/2022 22:06

Where have I questioned whether the OP is telling the truth or not??

Sorry the bit about questioning whether telling the truth wasn't aimed at you @Watzzap - I was responding to you re NMW - just feel sorry for OP the way some people have responded on here, including questioning whether she is doing the job she says she is. But that wasn't you.

Helpplease888 · 09/07/2022 22:08

We are the same! Head teacher and assistant head teacher. Only have one holiday a year in the Uk and that was tricky enough before all of this. Now we couldn’t afford it. We have a cheap little car that was bought for me by my parents a few years ago. We have a 3 bed house when really we need larger. Money goes on child care before and after school and the children’s clubs. Before we had money to do other things at weekends, but now we have run out in a week after being paid by the time all the bills have been paid. I don’t even feel I can buy clothes when they need them due to growing out of their others. It’s ridiculous. I really don’t want them to have to give up their clubs, but we may have to reduce if this continues.

Helpplease888 · 09/07/2022 22:10

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Who are you taking to??? Rude.

TiddyTidTwo · 09/07/2022 22:13

"We are the same! Head teacher and assistant head teacher. Only have one holiday a year in the Uk and that was tricky enough before all of this. Now we couldn’t afford it. We have a cheap little car that was bought for me by my parents a few years ago. We have a 3 bed house when really we need larger. Money goes on child care before and after school and the children’s clubs. Before we had money to do other things at weekends, but now we have run out in a week after being paid by the time all the bills have been paid. I don’t even feel I can buy clothes when they need them due to growing out of their others. It’s ridiculous. I really don’t want them to have to give up their clubs, but we may have to reduce if this continues"

The squeezed middle. We do exist

Heifje356inw · 09/07/2022 22:17

@Helpplease888 may I ask for how much you earn? I seem to remember it was quite low. It's so sad that in these jobs you would struggle

BoJoGoGo · 09/07/2022 22:17

How much is your joint income?
How much is your mortgage?

Gemstar2 · 09/07/2022 22:30

I’m really sorry to hear you’re struggling and thinking things like being financially better off dead than alive. I have worked in universities in the past and they often have a small amount of free counselling sessions for staff - this might be something worth considering, to help talk through how you’re feeling and hopefully find some coping mechanisms for the mental health impact of your current situation.

It’s a really worrying time. Please rest assured you’re not alone. I’m also in a 2x professional household of 2 civil servants, both with a masters, and we’re also feeling the squeeze and are anxious about what’s to come. I am frustrated for you that people are suggesting you’re entitled and living frivolously when we’re experiencing an unprecedented cost of living crisis. We already do most of the things people are suggesting to try to live within our means (batch cook/eat veggie, buy secondhand clothes/toys and sell unwanted stuff, only buy supermarket brand food, have 1 cheap car necessary for work but otherwise walk or cycle, free holiday in a family member’s caravan, make coffee at home and take picnics to the park for a weekend trip etc etc). I’m not going to exaggerate, we are coping, and there are many people far worse off than us (and a lot of my anxiety at the moment is about those people and how they’ll cope this winter) but we’re squeezed, and I’m worried about what’s to come, as the essentials of food and fuel are predicted to keep soaring.

If you’re not already, I really recommend following and thoroughly reading Martin Lewis’ website The Money Saving Expert. It has lots of information about finances (including lots about remortgaging) which will arm you with knowledge before you negotiate remortgaging - don’t just blindly trust a broker without doing a bit of research first. It also has lots of other tips for budgeting, finding the best deals on utilities bills, reducing spending and things like switching bank accounts (I just switched for a free £170 bonus for very little effort). It’s obviously not a silver bullet, but lots of little things in combination can add up. I’ve also recently got some good tips and mantras from social media pages of people who have paid off debt - for example about reframing my perspective and practising more gratitude about my own circumstances rather than comparing to others, and realising what is absolutely essential spending vs good to have but not essential. Try, for example, moneysavvymumuk on Instagram.

Long-term, giving up a free MA to do a low-paid second job doesn’t make much sense, so if I were you I’d do whatever you can now to survive this hopefully short term shock, in as many ways as you can (longer mortgage term, lodger, re-analyse the budget and slash whatever you can) but keep the MA. Yes, it’s really shit to ask your parents for money, but I know mine would be really gutted if I gave up an amazing education opportunity because of money that they actually had sitting in a bank account. You can pay it back when you’re not being robbed of most your income in childcare fees. I would also try to avoid going up to 5 days if you can possibly help it. A job, a masters and children is already a lot…it’s not always just about numbers, your mental health matters too.

Take care OP x

fetchacloth · 09/07/2022 22:40

I was in a similar situation in the early 90s but minus children.
Mortgage doubled in 6 months due to increased interest rates and had to get a second job 5 evenings a week on top of a full-time job. We were also in negative equity for a long time afterwards.
No holidays or extras for about 4 years but you get through it, you have to. It sounds awful but the whole experience does make you more resilient and thankful for what you have.
Remember there is always someone else worse off.😐

Badhairday101 · 09/07/2022 22:41

No advise but I’m in the same position. I’m a full time teacher and single parent to three, although really lucky I don’t have childcare costs and I have a lot of help from my mum.
I tutor two evenings a week and if that is a path your husband wanted to go down it’s good top up money and actually really lovely as you feel like you’re making a difference without all of the additional pressures of school. I used to advertise on Facebook and now through word of mouth I don’t need to anymore.
I had a mini meltdown last week as my mortgage is going up alongside the rise in everything else and I genuinely thought I don’t know how I can manage when I’m already really stretched.
I’ve slept on it and decided I’m going to really push forward career wise over the next year. I know this isn’t an option for everyone but I think it’s the best thing for me and will actually be the push I need.
I really feel for the people that don’t have the same opportunities and just hope they find a way through it. Money worries are bloody horrendous, destroy mental health and suck the joy out of life.

Ortega888 · 09/07/2022 23:01

I would make a list of all incoming and outgoings and cancel any direct debits you can. Tell everyone now it’s a card only for birthdays and Christmas and cutbacks such as no take aways, no coffees or eating out. Could you sell items that you no longer need. No holidays. There’s always ways to cut back. I started with 13 direct debits last year now down to 8 and by next February I will only have 5. Check out better childcare. I never had a life as all my wages paid a childminder when my son was younger. Let us know how you go on.

MiniPiccolo · 09/07/2022 23:06

Honestly, Op. You jack in the masters for a while and take on more work.

Just like the bloody rest of us. You got yourselves in a stupid position with a mortgage you could only afford on a historically lower interest rate, and you honestly didn't see those rates increasing at some point?

The issue isn't the economy here, it's your (and DPs) poor choices. You stretched yourselves to the limit at a point where everything was as cheap as it could possibly get.

Tubs11 · 09/07/2022 23:08

@Gemstar2 couldn't have worded that better. OP, we're in for a tough ride, that's for sure, but when the going gets tough remember this too will pass. Mind yourself

Gh12345 · 09/07/2022 23:19

Ortega888 · 09/07/2022 23:01

I would make a list of all incoming and outgoings and cancel any direct debits you can. Tell everyone now it’s a card only for birthdays and Christmas and cutbacks such as no take aways, no coffees or eating out. Could you sell items that you no longer need. No holidays. There’s always ways to cut back. I started with 13 direct debits last year now down to 8 and by next February I will only have 5. Check out better childcare. I never had a life as all my wages paid a childminder when my son was younger. Let us know how you go on.

Really good suggestion. We spoke to the adults in my family and on my husbands side of family and we've all agreed that presents only for kids this year and none for the adults to relieve the pressure.