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Middle class identifiers 2022

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Pullandpush · 14/06/2022 08:06

I read a similar thread a few years ago & the main middle class markers were hummus, organic food, private education, boden, ski trips etc, farrow & ball..
Are these unchanged for 2022 or have the identifiers shifted?
Since the pandemic I've seen a rise in the "hipster" style MC especially the men, maybe the working from home has allowed them to relax into the unshaven, casual look which wasn't there a few years ago...
Private education seems to be on the wane but that may be due to the cost of living..
Any other main MC identifiers I missed?

OP posts:
Applegreenb · 14/06/2022 14:05

FlorianImogen · 14/06/2022 08:12

Waitrose shopping identifies the middle classes, especially if you have gooseberry and cinnamon yogurt in your basket!

@FlorianImogen this made me chuckle! Only
if it’s not out of date!!

iamamother · 14/06/2022 14:08

also not sure where I would fit in. I buy a lot of the ‘middle class’ food, kids clothes etc mentioned here but I also love The Range, McDonald’s, Butlins holidays and grey interiors and nobody can change my mind 😀

ApplesandBunions · 14/06/2022 14:08

Some of the things people are listing here are very common in my working class area. Support for Ukraine and dads of little kids pushing the prams are pretty much compulsory round these parts. Lots of cyclists and more than a few people who wfh too, for call centre type stuff. And lots of us have real Christmas trees too, though admittedly they're usually bought from outside a pub.

megletthesecond · 14/06/2022 14:09

I was going to say a Dry Robe, but I think maybe a Finisterre dry robe is more MC.

JinglingHellsBells · 14/06/2022 14:13

Pullandpush · 14/06/2022 08:06

I read a similar thread a few years ago & the main middle class markers were hummus, organic food, private education, boden, ski trips etc, farrow & ball..
Are these unchanged for 2022 or have the identifiers shifted?
Since the pandemic I've seen a rise in the "hipster" style MC especially the men, maybe the working from home has allowed them to relax into the unshaven, casual look which wasn't there a few years ago...
Private education seems to be on the wane but that may be due to the cost of living..
Any other main MC identifiers I missed?

You have far too much time on your hands if you come up with posts like this.

sunglassesonthetable · 14/06/2022 14:14

Everyone has kayaks or SUP, dogs, road bikes for the men, yoga for women. Pretty flowery front gardens (roses, dahlias, penonies etc.) veg patch back gardens. Muted tones for baby clothes.

Yes! I forgot the kyaks, yoga and 'muted tones' for babies.

Eatingpizza · 14/06/2022 14:16

Surely these are just lists of pretensiousness. I come from a working class background, but have a degree, phd and work (fucking hard) as a teacher in a private school. Dh works his arse off as a sous chef in a swanky joint. We own our own place.

But because we don't have these insignifiers we are considered the hired help for our betters.

Sorry shit day at work. I don't need to read this to realise that I still nothing more than a pleb because I am sensible with my money.

sunglassesonthetable · 14/06/2022 14:18

But because we don't have these insignifiers we are considered the hired help for our betters.

What🙄

They are lists of observations/trends/ styles

I wouldn't think too hard about it.

WombatChocolate · 14/06/2022 14:18

Long term, established middle class grew up middle class. You’re looking at a values and experiences thing, as much as stuff. In terms of stuff, for these people I’d expect to always see a piano and lots of books. Some of this group are still well-off but others not necessarily, but they still have their piano and listen to Radio 4 and enjoy cultural pursuits. They will know people in a variety of professions. They might wear the latest MC labels and have the kitchen equipment and cars…or. Might not.

New middle class are often really those who grew up working class and have done quite well and have got money. They might spend big on middle class labels and cars and holidays. They might be looking at more traditional MC spends such as music lessons, funding kids on a year out studying art history and cultural experiences, but often they aren’t interested in that. There can be a big house with flash new decor but no piano, few books. They don’t have the background that gave them contacts whilst at top unis to meet people who went onto become GPs, solicitors, architects.

So I think there’s a difference between having lots of money….often the middle classes do, but sometimes they don’t and often those from definitely not middle class backgrounds manage to generate better incomes than those with traditional middle class backgrounds.

Independent school is an interesting one. 2 generations ago, the genuinely MC were a group who could afford a detached house, a stay at home parent and private school fees on the salary if a bank manager or GP or country solicitor. These days fees have escalated. Lots of those from traditional MC backgrounds can’t afford fees and have some angst around not providing their kids with what they had….but they, along with those from aspirational WC background manage to move to affluent areas with nice little cHurch ordinary schools or better leafy Comps. They value education and will prioritise it, even if they can’t pay for it. Often they will pay for tutoring or coaching in sports and certainly lots of extra curricular. They don’t balk at £25 per half hour music lesson, when many of those who perhaps have money but value stuff more than experiences would see that as extortionate.

MC families often have lots of hobbies and interests. It could be traditionally expensive ones like sailing or golf or tennis, but there are lots of others too. They will fork out for the expensive kit required, drive their kids big distances to do the activity and value it above watching the TV or having takeaways and a new outfit.

AnguaResurgam · 14/06/2022 14:20

Teachers are middle class though, aren't they?

If you came from working class background, then you might still be transitioning IYSWIM.

But always remember that class is a descriptor, not a value judgement.

liveforsummer · 14/06/2022 14:20

Round here it's not a piano and R4. More likely to be a guitar on a a stand and R6. Original floor boards - no laminate or carpet inside. Lots of plants.

Lovecatsanddogs · 14/06/2022 14:26

My white fluffy dog called Bella has a dry robe :)

PlattyJubes · 14/06/2022 14:29

Ooh do I get extra MC points for having two pianos, three guitars and a million houseplants. Along with original wooden floorboards that are covered in dog hair.🤔.

Probably get points deducted as dog isn't a rescue (but our chickens are so hopefully that restores my MC standing).

So glad to have MC MN bingo to play today as am extremely bored!! 😁

sunglassesonthetable · 14/06/2022 14:31

I'd guess MN is MC.

WombatChocolate · 14/06/2022 14:32

But don’t middle class families give their kids piano lessons? How do they practice if there isn’t a piano at home? Piano lessons is such a basic.

Families that dont have piano lessons on the radar even ….are they really middle class?

CompoundV · 14/06/2022 14:33

And anyone saying that certain jobs / careers are open access - this is absolutely not the case. Firstly you have to know they exist, know how to find them, and tell them the things about yourself that you've actually done, that they want to hear. If you literally are spending all of your income on just getting by, you don't have the time or headspace to do this, and this is generational too.

Yes it is probably the case that if you are older you do not have access to the same opportunities. For the younger generation - I'm referring to grads, it is different.
Firstly you have to know they exist You have to want to get a good job and want to find out more about what that might be - you can do this by going to the university careers fair so you can talk to loads of companies about the types of jobs they offer. Careers depts also offer skills workshops, careers cafes, webinars, presentations by industry leaders, speed meets, discover panels, cv workshops etc - all aimed to help students learn more about the types of careers they might want to get involved in - the information is out there - you might have to get off your arse and make an effort, if that's too much for you then your choices will be restricted. Careers depts are so underutilized by students - most of this is online - they don't even have to leave their bedrooms.
Firms want to hear about how they have handled themselves when working along with others - these experiences can come from working with other students in projects, societies, part-time jobs, summer jobs, volunteering, and hobbies. There is no reason for working-class students to do less of these.
They want talented people - not talented middle-class people but whilst working-class people continue to think these jobs are not for the likes of them it's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

dillydally24 · 14/06/2022 14:35

@sunglassesonthetable Your list is absolutely spot on and made me laugh. We must live in the same part of the world.

Grumpyoldpersonwithcats · 14/06/2022 14:38

If you use the spare space in your property for a swimming pool, a cinema room, or a gym, you may well be wealthy, but you are a bit vulgar.
If you use your spare space for a library and/or a music room you can be considered MC.
If you have no spare space then you are clearly unworthy.

The break down of what level of MC you are can be defined by the books in your library and the instruments in your music room.
(You are definitely NOT middle class though if buy your books by the yard because they look pretty, or have a drum kit or electric guitar in your music room.)

LouisCatorze · 14/06/2022 14:39

I'd say a lot of the above are 'nouveau riche' (coming from at least 180 years of 'comfortably off MC' on DF's side of the family)and I really don't think private education is necessarily a MC identifier either.

DrR78 · 14/06/2022 14:41

All these brands being listed! No, no, no. True MC give zero fucks for brands (apart from - maybe - Lidl)

Octomore · 14/06/2022 14:41

Eatingpizza · 14/06/2022 14:16

Surely these are just lists of pretensiousness. I come from a working class background, but have a degree, phd and work (fucking hard) as a teacher in a private school. Dh works his arse off as a sous chef in a swanky joint. We own our own place.

But because we don't have these insignifiers we are considered the hired help for our betters.

Sorry shit day at work. I don't need to read this to realise that I still nothing more than a pleb because I am sensible with my money.

I don't view the MC as my "betters" any more than I view the royal family as my "betters" (i.e. not at all!).

But class markers are a real thing. They're not so much about what you own though (lots of the posts above are mistaken about that - they're just naming specific trends that they see in the MC folk in their area, which vary from place to place). Genuine class markers are more about accent, education, who your parents are, where you grew up / where you live, and cultural capital.

ComputerQueen · 14/06/2022 14:46

@CompoundV my aim wasn’t to provide a definitive list of topics, but to establish that not fitting is mainly about people’s worldview, reflected in the topics they discuss. Not quite their accent, how they dress or whatever else.
I certainly felt it when I went to my prestigious uni, and on to my first few spring weeks (yes, even in management consulting). Everyone around me was widely read, had a proper hobby (sports/music/etc), well-traveled.
I was intelligent, read a lot (but mostly fiction/natural science), never out of the country before coming to the U.K.
Painfully obvious that I didn’t fit.

As a foreigner I don’t claim to know what’s strictly a ‘MC’ topic, or otherwise. But having observed various groups there’s a marked difference in the sort of things people talk about, that let others know your background.

goodcall101 · 14/06/2022 14:47

Octomore · 14/06/2022 11:55

Yep not taking care of yourself is definitely the best way to really value yourself, makes sense.

Being stick thin and having manicured nails =/= "taking care of yourself"

This is a really interesting point I’d not really thought about before, but yeah I would agree that spending significant time/money on any sort of grooming is probably considered WC or LMC. As is being overly interested in being thin. For example, things like Botox are massively looked down on by the “old school” wealthy or UMC, I think because it’s seen as shallow or not very classy. No doubt lots of people secretly do this sort of stuff but it tends to be more subtle. Same idea with make up or flashy brands, niche well made brands with expensive fabrics are far more sought after than anything too global, even if it’s considered a luxury brand. Another signifier around this seems to be vanity posting on SM, never see the more UMC people I know post a blatant “don’t I look beautiful?” Selfie, even as a joke. Disclosing anything too personal, too many pictures of their children on SM is definitely a no no, but not sure if this is specifically a class thing.

TheOrigRights · 14/06/2022 14:47

GreeboIsMySpiritAnimal · 14/06/2022 08:13

I live in a very MC area, and what I've noticed:

  • lots of kitchen gardens and allotments, everyone's growing their own fruit and veg.
  • lots of people still working exclusively or mainly from home, and setting their own hours.
  • more people running or cycling for fitness, rather than going to a gym or exercise classes (it would be beyond the pale to not be fit - and slim if you're a woman)
  • massive electric cars that they can barely fit down our tiny medieval streets and certainly can't park

I am ahead of the game!

I've WFH for years (professional scientist).
I have also run and cycled all my life.
I have a single courgette plant in a pot that was given to me by my kitchen garden growing friends
I am let down by the car, as I have medium sized 16 year old Seat.

sunglassesonthetable · 14/06/2022 14:50

@dillydally24 😁

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