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Middle class identifiers 2022

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Pullandpush · 14/06/2022 08:06

I read a similar thread a few years ago & the main middle class markers were hummus, organic food, private education, boden, ski trips etc, farrow & ball..
Are these unchanged for 2022 or have the identifiers shifted?
Since the pandemic I've seen a rise in the "hipster" style MC especially the men, maybe the working from home has allowed them to relax into the unshaven, casual look which wasn't there a few years ago...
Private education seems to be on the wane but that may be due to the cost of living..
Any other main MC identifiers I missed?

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Legrandsophie · 15/06/2022 20:22

Angrymum22 · 15/06/2022 19:55

I love middle class ID threads. They are populated by the socially insecure and the clambering wannabes, who think your position in life is more important than your role.
If you like hanging out in your local with every possible strata of class then in my book your sound.
As some one who is often wrongly identified as a brassy, airhead blonde it is incredible how peoples behaviour towards you changes when they find out what you do.
Aspire to be kind and inclusive rather than clamouring to be in the ‘set’. Being a lovely person transcends class.

I’d agree with this. I do think this is often a country vs city thing. Here you have to try to get on with everyone (apart from the long standing silent feuds) and there are fewer amenities so we all use them (fewer things to use as class markers). The best example of this is DCs riding lessons, which should be MC, except this is the countryside and the parents are a right mix of people which is good. The kids do all the same clubs and hang out in the same park and go to the same school and all know each other. As do the parents.

Apart from the newly arrived London people who like to moan about how limited the amenities are (no Waitrose) and have opted to drive 40mins each way to send their kids to private.

threatmatrix · 15/06/2022 20:24

I’ve never read such twaddle in all my life.

Goodskin46 · 15/06/2022 20:31

sunja · 14/06/2022 15:52

In my experience, the MC tend to have less children (c. 2) and enjoy a better quality of life rather than having more and less holidays, limiting children's activities etc

Ahh but the upper class/ very wealthy also have more than 2 children.

MissPeregrinesHome · 15/06/2022 20:34

@Angrymum22 "being a lovely person transcends class"

Best thing I have heard in ages. Thank you.

Enjoying the thread though!

springhassprung22 · 15/06/2022 20:34

Fun post Op!

Having a regular cleaner
A peloton bike
Amongst mothers and kids - independent, insta clothing brands like Scamp and Dude
Children attending several clubs
On the up for the MC (so down for the UC I guess?) - Teslas
Sporty hobbies for both parents - cycling/running/cross fit

CompoundV · 15/06/2022 20:35

LouisCatorze · 15/06/2022 20:13

But working in business, banking, consultancy those are not quite the same as being in a proper 'profession' though. Follow the Asian/Jewish family examples to see what's 'acceptable' - medicine, law, accountancy and then some business or allied healthcare professional (dentist, optician...) for younger members of the family Wink.

Business, banking and consultancy are not quite guaranteed are they? So an element of risk in doing a slightly less vocational course, in return for much bigger rewards.

Cherryblossoms85 · 15/06/2022 20:39

@sunja fewer children. 😁

ZoyaTheDestroyer · 15/06/2022 20:45

Who would have thought that a thread on class would have so many posts on butter?

to add one more, I can HIGHLY recommend Lidl’s West Country butter with sea salt, which now comes as a spreadable butter in a tub. It may be infra dig but it is absolutely delicious and much nicer than Lurpak.

sunja · 15/06/2022 20:47

@Goodskin46 I agree that the UC tend to have more - I think the MC mostly have around 2

sunja · 15/06/2022 20:48

Cherryblossoms85 · 15/06/2022 20:39

@sunja fewer children. 😁

@Cherryblossoms85 less than 2?

CompoundV · 15/06/2022 20:50

I think my dear departed Daddy, a self-confessed mountain man could lay claim to the most elite traits described on this thread, not really giving a stuff about what anyone thought, long wild camping holidays - he refused to leave the British Isles, catching and cooking from the fire - a landrover driver for 40 years - don't think it was the impress the neighbours kind, every holiday was dominated by his obsession to find good real butter. I think he meant raw milk butter - a really good almost cheesy flavour, we used to knock on random doors in farming areas that he thought might just sell it whilst on holiday. I continue his search for the best butter!
Anyway best one we have tried recently has been Bungay raw milk cultured butter...better than Lurpak!

Remy82 · 15/06/2022 20:59

A David Lloyd membership

Legrandsophie · 15/06/2022 21:00

The best butter is Cotswold Butter. It is double churned and extra salted. It’s like crack.

Tompariswasmyfavorite · 15/06/2022 21:06

sunja · 15/06/2022 20:48

@Cherryblossoms85 less than 2?

its a grammar thing

cafedesreves · 15/06/2022 21:07

I find this interesting as I'm definitely MC. But we have no money as our mortgage is massive. So DS definitely no Boden and we spend absolute minimum on (second hand) clothes.

I'm obsessed with DS getting into a good primary school which is definitely a stereotype!

sunja · 15/06/2022 21:08

@Tompariswasmyfavorite @Cherryblossoms85 my mistake

Tompariswasmyfavorite · 15/06/2022 21:19

sunja · 15/06/2022 21:08

@Tompariswasmyfavorite @Cherryblossoms85 my mistake

I only know because my very upper middle class friend corrects me on it 😊

sunglassesonthetable · 15/06/2022 21:19

I love middle class ID threads. They are populated by the socially insecure and the clambering wannabes, who think your position in life is more important than your role.

Harsh.

Aspire to be kind and inclusive rather than clamouring to be in the ‘set’. Being a lovely person transcends class.

Indeed it does. Your first paragraph wasn't very kind. Not clamouring to be in any set. Just having a chat here thanks.

AmongstTheCosmos · 15/06/2022 21:23

I'm middle class. As someone said upthread, I don't buy the stereotypical mc things in order to try to be mc, I buy them thinking that I want them for my own individual reasons. But then you realise that you're part of a tribe and many of your friends and colleagues have very similar things in their homes too.

Fundamentally I think class comes down to how you view education. I think the middle classes are absolutely obsessed with it (and I include myself in that statement!) and go to great lengths to ensure that their children get the best and broadest education available to them. So this looks like moving to catchment areas for the excellent schools, doing lots of extra curricular clubs, music lessons, educational holidays and days out, paying for private education or tutoring if you can afford it, etc etc etc. I'm not saying that other classes don't care about their children's education, but I don't think it is as neurotically focussed on if you expect to enter a trade or if you have substantial family wealth behind you.

sunglassesonthetable · 15/06/2022 21:24

Why do so many posters get their knickers in a twist and decide that a thread discussing class is immediately about "wanting to be something " or against what they are? Or an obsession with class?

Do you get that on any other threads?

Etonianmother · 15/06/2022 21:26

I am not convinced that any of these are identifiers of anything. Most of the things mentioned here are just fashion. People are people, and I can't imagine trying to work out who belongs to which social class.

gimmepeaceandsky · 15/06/2022 21:34

Skelligsfeathers · 14/06/2022 08:08

Why?
Why on earth is this even a thing on your radar?
Why not just live your life as you see fit and let others do the same?
Why the obsession with class?

👍🏻☝🏻☝🏻☝🏻☝🏻THIS !
whyyy ?

WeHadItTough · 15/06/2022 21:35

Name change for this post so that I don't accidentally out myself. Unusually, for once I haven't read the whole thread before commenting so I'm very happy to be shot down in flames or accused of not reflecting / acknowledging earlier comments.

I've often seen class defined by your father's occupation at the age of 12, which is sexist but certainly works in my case. Certainly more reliable than a recent predilection for avocados or whatever, I suspect?

Dad left school with no qualifications to work at the local coal mine at 14 (not initially underground, although that soon followed). He later succeeded in escaping what seemed to be the predetermined fate of a working class boy growing up in his particular Midlands town and instead achieved his aspiration of becoming an actor, notwithstanding a brief interruption when he was called up to do his two years National Service.

For the first five years of my life our family lived in a "static caravan/mobile home", in part because Dad couldn't get a mortgage due to the insecurity of his occupation. (As it happens, it took some serious persuasion by my mother to get "Actor" recorded as his profession on my birth certificate. I should mention that she was carving out her own career but temporarily gave it up when I and my sibling were born. If it wasn't for her efforts and sacrifices none of what I'm mentioning would have been possible, so I'm certainly not trying to underestimate the role she played in all of this.)

By my early teens, Dad was an actor with the RSC so, in my opinion, although we were far from being well off it would be somewhat disingenuous of me to claim to be working class, despite my early childhood experience of poverty.

FWIW, dad's career wasn't "successful" as is perhaps conventionally judged in terms of the acting world. (He most definitely isn't a household name, although he inevitably worked with many who are.) But he spent a lifetime earning a living in a profession with an 85% unemployment rate (and where the 15% who are in employment are very often the same people), which is an achievement that shouldn't be lightly dismissed. He is still with us, although sadly he remembers very little these days - he, Mum, and the rest of the family who live nearby will be going out for lunch on Father's Day on Sunday.

CompoundV · 15/06/2022 21:37

AmongstTheCosmos · 15/06/2022 21:23

I'm middle class. As someone said upthread, I don't buy the stereotypical mc things in order to try to be mc, I buy them thinking that I want them for my own individual reasons. But then you realise that you're part of a tribe and many of your friends and colleagues have very similar things in their homes too.

Fundamentally I think class comes down to how you view education. I think the middle classes are absolutely obsessed with it (and I include myself in that statement!) and go to great lengths to ensure that their children get the best and broadest education available to them. So this looks like moving to catchment areas for the excellent schools, doing lots of extra curricular clubs, music lessons, educational holidays and days out, paying for private education or tutoring if you can afford it, etc etc etc. I'm not saying that other classes don't care about their children's education, but I don't think it is as neurotically focussed on if you expect to enter a trade or if you have substantial family wealth behind you.

It's not just obsessed with education, it's education to ensure a good middle class jobs because that is the end goal. If your kids drop out of uni - that's the death nail, it all goes quiet after that!

Arnaquer · 15/06/2022 21:38

I haven't read the whole thread, got rather bored after 4 pages, but being MC sounds exhausting.

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