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Have we accepted that "hacks" is the new word for "tips" now and how has that happened?

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A580Hojas · 10/06/2022 19:36

Are we also going to go along with

diaper
sidewalk
color
nite
garbage
check
candy
chips
dish soap
movie
cookie
vacation
elevator

why is hacks not tips de rigeur when all these others aren't?

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MurderAtTheBeautyPageant · 11/06/2022 14:33

icelolly12 · 11/06/2022 09:14

Also saying kids instead of children. When I was younger if anybody said kids they would be corrected "kids are baby goats" lol now even politicians are using the term kids. And yes also movie.

I've seen some haughty 'kids are baby goats' comments on MN. Basically some people on this site refuse to use any slang words that wouldn't have been acceptable to a Mitford in 1952.

ParsleyRosemarySage · 11/06/2022 16:16

The phrase ‘reach out’ is annoying me mightily at the moment. It was ok (-a useful Americanisation right there) when it was used in the social emotional domain, but it seems to becoming normalised in customer services now, with companies ‘reaching out’ to customers for various reasons. What’s wrong with the verb “to contact”?

Needmorelego · 11/06/2022 16:28

A phrase I keep seeing lately that I find odd in celebrity gossip is people paying 'tribute' to each other - for example "Celeb Husband pays tribute to Celeb Wife on her birthday". I instantly think "omg I didn't know Celebrity Wife had died".
Surely you pay tribute to someone when they've died... not when they are alive?

PAFMO · 11/06/2022 17:19

ParsleyRosemarySage · 11/06/2022 16:16

The phrase ‘reach out’ is annoying me mightily at the moment. It was ok (-a useful Americanisation right there) when it was used in the social emotional domain, but it seems to becoming normalised in customer services now, with companies ‘reaching out’ to customers for various reasons. What’s wrong with the verb “to contact”?

As explained upthread, two different meanings.
"reach out" means "contact with a view of offering or asking for help"

PAFMO · 11/06/2022 17:23

Needmorelego · 11/06/2022 16:28

A phrase I keep seeing lately that I find odd in celebrity gossip is people paying 'tribute' to each other - for example "Celeb Husband pays tribute to Celeb Wife on her birthday". I instantly think "omg I didn't know Celebrity Wife had died".
Surely you pay tribute to someone when they've died... not when they are alive?

No. You can pay tribute to the living or the dead.
I suppose we often here it in funeral eulogies etc, but there's nothing inherent in the meaning that says it's only for the dead.

Spanielsarepainless · 11/06/2022 17:26

Using hack instead of tip makes my teeth itch. Hack to me is a leisurely ride for fun, or attacking a piece of meat with a blunt knife. I hate mom too.

Needmorelego · 11/06/2022 17:33

@PAFMO I had never heard 'tribute' used in the way I keep seeing it now before. It just feels odd to me.

MurderAtTheBeautyPageant · 11/06/2022 17:34

Mom is what people in the West Midlands call their mother. Although countless MN threads have shown me that many English people are unaware of this and think it's an American affectation by those who use it.

PAFMO · 11/06/2022 17:58

Spanielsarepainless · 11/06/2022 17:26

Using hack instead of tip makes my teeth itch. Hack to me is a leisurely ride for fun, or attacking a piece of meat with a blunt knife. I hate mom too.

That's where it originated. (see explanations from pp upthread) A hack (as in life hack) is a shortcut, a quicker way to do something. Coming from the verb "to hack" as in "cut through" - hack through the woods etc instead of going round the long way.
I presume going hacking on horseback has the same origins. That you can go somewhere on a horse that would take you longer on foot or by other means.

PAFMO · 11/06/2022 18:03

Apparently, hack in the horse-riding sense isn't related to the verb "hack" (chop/cut away) at all, but is thought to actually come from Hackney, where "ordinary" horses were kept on pasture land (16th century)

PAFMO · 11/06/2022 18:04

(there's a great etymology online database full of these fascinating facts for anyone genuinely interested in language and not just beating the tiresome "it's American and it makes me cross" drum)

ParsleyRosemarySage · 11/06/2022 18:25

Blush Yes I found @halfsiesonapotnoodle ‘a comment eventually! I missed it the first time by scrolling quickly on a phone. Snap & I’m glad I’m not the only one!

Jott · 11/06/2022 18:37

I hate mom too

Have you heard of a little place called "the West Midlands"?

A580Hojas · 11/06/2022 20:07

Can I just be absolutely clear. I have no objection to the variations between UK English and US English. Of course not. Vive la difference!

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ParsleyRosemarySage · 11/06/2022 20:16

I find the attitude that we have to accept Americanisms or be judged as anti-something-or-other tiresome myself. Especially when, as it too often does, it brings American economics and political issues with it. There was a lot of bother about using the term ‘thug’ recently, because that’s apparently viewed as racist in some quarters in America despite its longstanding descriptive value here.

PAFMO · 11/06/2022 20:25

ParsleyRosemarySage · 11/06/2022 20:16

I find the attitude that we have to accept Americanisms or be judged as anti-something-or-other tiresome myself. Especially when, as it too often does, it brings American economics and political issues with it. There was a lot of bother about using the term ‘thug’ recently, because that’s apparently viewed as racist in some quarters in America despite its longstanding descriptive value here.

But you've been told over and over that these so-called Americanisms, aren't.

You aren't showing that you're anti-American. You're showing that you're ignorant.

Reallyreallyborednow · 11/06/2022 20:31

Three that I’ve caught creeping into Uk use;

Poop. It’s poo. Or shit. Not Poop.

dropped. Stop fucking dropping stuff. Music, films, clothes, do not “drop”.

clap back. What? Apart from the fact I don’t care if Rihanna clapped back at whoever, it’s not even a phrase that makes sense. I have a mental image of a latin dancer in that chest out pose doing two stern claps to the side.

halfsiesonapotnoodle · 11/06/2022 20:37

Jott · 11/06/2022 18:37

I hate mom too

Have you heard of a little place called "the West Midlands"?

Yes. But doesn't mean we have to love it being mom.

CherryReid · 11/06/2022 20:53

I HATE 'a pop of colour'

A splash of colour is better - why the heck would you change it to pop

ParsleyRosemarySage · 11/06/2022 22:50

You aren't showing that you're anti-American. You're showing that you're ignorant

No, some of them are Americanisms, as in the example I gave. But keep up with the pathetically judgemental hostility. Britain has been too Americanised already.

HMSSophia · 17/06/2022 07:21

Gr33ngr33ngr4ss · 11/06/2022 14:31

So, de rigueur is acceptable but movie & diaper aren't...

Aye, that classic English language phrase. Oh, hang on. No. It's not is it?

We just don't like Americans. How très Enid Blyton.

You make the point exactly and perfectly.

"De rigeur" came from England being invaded and dominated by the French. Yes many educated British people use that phrase now but it remains an indicator of invasion and the massive cultural changes that were imposed on the English.

The "invasion" by America is solely cultural thank fuck, but it is "invasive" and insidious

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