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Trooping the colour. I have horse questions.

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Tock · 02/06/2022 11:02

I have no hose knowledge aside from what I have learned from Jilly Cooper.

why do they nod their heads up and down so violently?

how do you ride with no hands like the band?

do they get to choose the colour of their horse? I’d like a grey one but there aren’t many of those.

what happens if they are really bad? Is there an understudy?

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Ariela · 02/06/2022 13:22

It isn't much of a break for the horses. It's just another training camp.

Some horses, in fact most horses I think thrive on routine, and love doing stuff rather than just graze in a field. We had a New Forest pony would chase dogs for fun. (we have a lot of dog walkers don't put their dogs on leads, and dogs will wander, if one got in the field he'd buck up for the day!

Workawayxx · 02/06/2022 13:28

I've seen these horses and riders do a cross country course for fun, they got so excited at all the grass, space and sky! It did look like they were enjoying it despite being a bit flighty about it all :).

SpudsForBreakfast · 02/06/2022 13:37

We had a New Forest pony would chase dogs for fun. (we have a lot of dog walkers don't put their dogs on leads, and dogs will wander, if one got in the field he'd buck up for the day!

That bears no comparison to a training camp. I can see how that spontaneous, self directed activity would be fun for a pony but I sincerely doubt that there are many horses who'd actively choose to be saddled and bridled, ridden, made to obey human whims, sometimes with gunfire and other very loud sounds going off around them while they're forced to ignore their instincts and made to stand around for long periods.

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LisaSimpson77 · 02/06/2022 13:40

There was a horse that bolted and lost his rider at William and Kate's wedding. I've always wondered what happened to the horse and rider after the wedding.

thereisonlyoneofme · 02/06/2022 13:46

I think someone came a cropper during Trooping, Im sure I saw a riderless horse

Ariela · 02/06/2022 13:53

That bears no comparison to a training camp. I can see how that spontaneous, self directed activity would be fun for a pony but I sincerely doubt that there are many horses who'd actively choose to be saddled and bridled, ridden, made to obey human whims, sometimes with gunfire and other very loud sounds going off around them while they're forced to ignore their instincts and made to stand around for long periods.

On the contrary, he was bored in a field. He'd load himself in the trailer to go off and be ridden. He knew he'd enjoy it, and loved nothing better than showjumping. He got VERY excited when he knew that was happening. Some horses simply do love going out and doing stuff, whereas others are happy to be a horse in a field and just eat grass. Same as some people always like to be doing stuff, others would prefer to stagnate in front of the TV.

DrawSwords · 02/06/2022 14:01

Have name changed for this because I used to take part. Did it for four years. Will answer a few questions if that helps.

MountainSun · 02/06/2022 14:03

personally no, I don't think species ceasing to exist for our benefit would harm the species themselves

I think that ceasing to exist would be kind of the ultimate harm tbh.

MountainSun · 02/06/2022 14:05

LisaSimpson77 · 02/06/2022 13:40

There was a horse that bolted and lost his rider at William and Kate's wedding. I've always wondered what happened to the horse and rider after the wedding.

Feeling embarrassed, more training, then back out on parade with endless ribbing for the rest of their lives I’d imagine?

Caminante · 02/06/2022 14:05

StrawberryLipstickStateOfMind1 · 02/06/2022 11:06

My only horse knowledge comes from Enid Blyton and the colic thing in Malory Towers

Colic in horses was definitely a thing I learned from Enid Blyton, it's in loads of books 😂

DrawSwords · 02/06/2022 14:07

Tock · 02/06/2022 11:02

I have no hose knowledge aside from what I have learned from Jilly Cooper.

why do they nod their heads up and down so violently?

how do you ride with no hands like the band?

do they get to choose the colour of their horse? I’d like a grey one but there aren’t many of those.

what happens if they are really bad? Is there an understudy?

Head nodding is fidgeting, but can be other things. Playing with the bit. Shaking a fly off its eyelid. Discomfort at some times of year due to pollen from London Plane trees.

No hands - you have reins to your feet, but use other aides such as voice, thigh pressure, seat. They are never normally bad, but some young ones panic and the rider goes out the back door. It livened up the day for the Duke.

No choice on colour. There are two main regiments and not represented at TOTC is the King's Troop RHA which is a ceremonial gun battery created IIRC by the Queen's grandfather. There are six lines of guns and each is a section and A is light bay gradually getting darker to a very dark bay in section F. The dark bays pull the funeral carriages because they look almost black.

FranklySonImTheGaffer · 02/06/2022 14:09

I'm not a horsey person but MIL has had them all her life (and so did DH until his early 20s).

I always thought tacking them up and making them jump / do shows etc was cruel but since her 2 eldest have been unable to do this (health reasons), I've really changed my mind.

If the horse box appears they start prancing around in excitement, and if she doesn't set up mini jumps and stuff to keep them occupied in the field, they are a menace because they're bored (like looking for ways to escape, pulling down a fence).

She has another (a rescue) who is the opposite. Very happy plodding around the field and would hate being doing a show or anything that involves following instructions.

I don't think it's one size fits all when it comes to any animal tbh.

DrawSwords · 02/06/2022 14:10

Tock · 02/06/2022 11:34

I’m too old and fat now but I think I’d quite like to be horsey.

You are never too old or too fat to ride a horse. Age will make your bones brittle if you fall off, but the fat will insulate you. Just choose a large placid mare and you will be fine.

Abra1d1 · 02/06/2022 14:11

Seven guards’ horses (and eight men) died when the Hyde Park bombings took place. A friend of mine was working in an office opposite. He was a tough, sometimes almost callous man, but he was upset for years about the aftermath and the horses seemed to touch him deeply.

DrawSwords · 02/06/2022 14:13

Aroundtheworldin80moves · 02/06/2022 12:10

20 years ago I did my work experience with the band of the Irish guards, and we visited the horses at Windsor.

They learn to ride with no hands, including jumping. Part of the test was taking your jacket off while going over jumps.

Yes, there are lots of horsemanship tests. I recall once the instructor made us jump without saddles and then...without bridles. Exhilerating actually.

crosstalk · 02/06/2022 14:16

@DrawSwords Okay, how are the horses chosen? are any rejected for being feisty? are there any stallions in that mix or is that too dangerous? What mix are they? Do you think any of them are seriously unhappy? Apart from the two weeks in Norfolk, where I've seen them ridden on halters/no saddles do they go out to pasture at all?

DrawSwords · 02/06/2022 14:16

PonyPatter44 · 02/06/2022 12:20

They are cavalry horses. The white ropes are picket ropes, to allow the horses to be tied up safely in the horses lines when the troops would camp for the night.

Every item on the uniforms and some harness served a purpose in the field 200 years ago as a 'last resort'. Braid on uniforms could be unpicked and tied to make new harness. Hats can be turned upside down to hold water and/or horse feed. Buttons could be used as shot, and there are other examples.

Serriedranks · 02/06/2022 14:17

That's part of the problem. And humans do constantly get horses to do things that they would rather not do. Hence all the riding crops. bits, saddles, training, martingales, reins, spurs etc. Do you honestly think that's how those horses would choose to spend their time, if they had the choice?

Just in case anyone who is non-horsey is reading this ^^ and is concerned, can I just say that if you are using a crop, a spur, or leg and hand aids, or tack, to force a horse to do something it doesn't want to do nowadays, then you are doing it all wrong!

Apart from the basic fact that it's hard to get a 300-500kg animal to do something it doesn't want to do, a crop should be used as an extension of your arm, to steer, never to hit. A very, very light touch (not a jab) of a spur (which should only be worn by experienced riders) is often kinder than someone kicking a horse in the flanks (if you are riding properly you should be able to ask your horse to go forward by a slight shift of weight and a squeeze of the seat bones, it's not necessary to kick).

And standing martingales or other tack should never be used to correct a horse's position or head carriage. This is done very gradually over time to build up impulsion from behind and allow the horse to carry itself and the rider properly, relaxed and in a good outline. The rider in turn should have a balanced, independent seat.

Of course a horse should be trained, just as you would get a child used to its nursery, you gently start to acclimatise a horse to people, being handled, cars, other horses and dogs, tractors, different environments, etc and the more calmly and gently and patiently you do that, the less bothered the horse is by standard situations which is good and safe for the horse and it's rider. And nowadays a lot of training is done on the ground through natural horsemanship methods. It's considered really bad form nowadays to put a horse in a situation that it hasn't been prepared or trained for.

I was lucky enough to watch a display of police horses at Buckingham Palace mews one year and it's amazing the training they were given and what they could do! Training, if done properly is a very good thing because it enables a horse to be calm and relaxed and completely untroubled in situations which could otherwise be scary. And btw, horses aren't necessarily scared by the same thing you and I are scared by. They could leap over a massive ditch without turning a hair and then shy at a tiny puddle!

The emphasis now is all about communicating with your horse and eliminating all signs of stress. A horse cannot learn if it's scared anyway. And you work very slowly and patiently with your horse, listening to it, so you can overcome any tension that it may hold in its jaw, neck or back. Only then do you take the next step in training. The welfare of the horse as an individual should be at the very centre of its education.

Serriedranks · 02/06/2022 14:19

oops - by building up impulsion from behind

DrawSwords · 02/06/2022 14:20

crosstalk · 02/06/2022 14:16

@DrawSwords Okay, how are the horses chosen? are any rejected for being feisty? are there any stallions in that mix or is that too dangerous? What mix are they? Do you think any of them are seriously unhappy? Apart from the two weeks in Norfolk, where I've seen them ridden on halters/no saddles do they go out to pasture at all?

Instructors will go to Ireland and choose young horses each year. There are special breeders who know what the regiments are looking for. If the temperament is not right they may end up in a saddle club, or PTS. They are kept busy so not unhappy. They go to other places for summer camp, but Norfolk is popular because it has safer beaches. No pasture otherwise. The odd horse may be used by a soldier for competition and they may get sent to one of the clubs out at Larkhill or Melton Mowbray (if it still exists).

DrawSwords · 02/06/2022 14:28

MountainSun · 02/06/2022 12:33

Was he!? 😱 always been a gelding in my head! Sorry Burmese 😂😂

The horse we may most remember was Sefton, who received nail bomb wounds in the Hyde Park bombing. He lived for 30 years. Another was Coriolanus, a huge gentle dappled grey drum horse with hooves that would cover large dinner plates.

DrawSwords · 02/06/2022 14:33

SpudsForBreakfast · 02/06/2022 13:16

Don't assume I know nothing about them. I used to ride, thank you. And personally no, I don't think species ceasing to exist for our benefit would harm the species themselves. And yes I do know that wild equids exist.

Every summer they all troop off to Norfolk for their hols and have a super time galloping on the beach

Again. It's a training camp not a jolly carefree romp on the beach

Rubbish, who told you that? It R&R for soldiers and horses. Been there and done it. The horses love the sea and other times of the day they get taken out for rides and grazing and a bit of TLC.

LoveMyPiano · 02/06/2022 14:34

The lack of turnout is the biggest issue in London I would suppose (I am sure I read somehwere that they have multi-storey stables?). They may have a busier life and be very very well cared for and loved, even. But physiologically, all of the horses' systems are designed for movement, not confinement, and that is the part that bothers me. I cannot imagine they have a long service, in the same way as Police horses, due to the surfaces they are on all the time, and realuting foot/limb problems.
Also just reading from @DrawSwords that those with an "unsuitable temperament" are destroyed is so troubling. It must take a very very sepcial temperament to do what these horses do, and to be killed for not having the potential to do it (and yet possibly be a perfectly lovely horse in another setting) is absolutely terrible!
It's a larger version of putting male chicks into a shredder.

SpudsForBreakfast · 02/06/2022 14:39

Again. It's a training camp not a jolly carefree romp on the beach
Rubbish, who told you that? It R&R for soldiers and horses. Been there and done it. The horses love the sea and other times of the day they get taken out for rides and grazing and a bit of TLC.

https://www.forces.net/news/pictures-household-cavalry-horses-take-beach-vacation

As well as stretching their legs on the beach, the Cavalrymen will practice farriery, weapons handling, military fitness tests, cross country riding and show jumping.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-norfolk-44824996

www.horseandhound.co.uk/news/household-cavalry-training-camp-502269

Imabouttoexplode · 02/06/2022 14:41

No stallions. Would cause chaos, unless it's a particularly quiet stallion but easier to just have mares and geldings generally, although some of those can be feisty buggers but they're unlikely to be sporting large erections in front of HRH 😀

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